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Anti-christ
The Israel Report
The Anti-Christ Cometh
Tom Cooper
Oct 18, 2005
The Anti-Christ Cometh
I know there have been heated debates over the years concerning the identity of Anti-Christ and whether he is to be a Jew or a Gentile, however I want to comment on the article below without being dogmatic about the identity of the Anti-Messiah.
Since the Sanhedrin was re-established in Israel, they have escalated their desire to rule Israel, replacing the secular government with a Torah system of legal rulings. Most people outside the religious community pay no attention to them, while they are however gaining steam in religious circles.
Increasingly there has been talk of the coming Messiah, and in fact not long ago it was leaked that the Messiah had indeed come and was here in Israel waiting for the right time to be revealed. The article below is the precursor to such an announcement, in what will no doubt be the very near future. It could be days or weeks, or it could be months or even a couple of years, but it will be at their earliest possible opportunity depending on prevailing circumstances, and I don't think it will be long.
I must say that the messiah they are talking about is NOT Yeshua.
It stands to reason then that it must be the Anti-Messiah. Let me explain something about Kabbala. There is nothing scriptural or biblical about the practice of Kabbala. It is Persian mysticism brought from the Babylonian captivity, and it has been melded into rabbinic studies and teachings, so much so that to argue against it's Jewishness and biblical roots will bring an immediate and heated response from any religious Jew, and even many secular Jews. It is simply accepted by the majority that it is Jewish mysticism, which is quite acceptable as far as God is concerned, at least according to the Jews who believe in it. Kabbala is devilish in its origins, and there is nothing acceptable about it.
There are Kabbala centers all over Israel, and around the world, and true adherents are forced to awaken at around 3:00 to 4:00 A.M. and spend several hours in meditation, teachings, and repetitive chanting. Most do this before they then go on to work or school and then home to their families. They carry on regular lives while they are daily being sleep deprived and brain washed. It is highly dangerous.
The Jewish people around the world and particularly here in Israel are in a very ready state to accept the coming of the Anti-Christ. They are urgently seeking solutions for their problems, they want very much to see God deliver them and fulfill His promises, which because of the veil over their eyes, they cannot understand the fulfillment in the life, death, and resurrection of Yeshua. They are expecting a Messiah who will bring peace to the world, and who will restore Torah Law, and the priestly authority. When the false Messiah comes, it will be quite easy for the Jewish people to fall for his deception, and this Kabbalistic treachery is leading the way in preparing the Jewish people for the final false deliverer.
This is not a joke; it needs to be taken very seriously. It is easy to dismiss these little old men with their comical costumes and long beards as harmless and disconnected from reality, but these people are steeped in mysticism and are experts in the magic arts, divination, spellbinding, and will be at the forefront of a movement that will give the seat of Jerusalem to the Anti-Messiah himself.
Believe me when I say that this Rabbi is hearing from spirits, he is just not hearing from the Holy Spirit, the Ruach HaKodesh.
The Jewish people in Israel and around the world need prayer and intercession like never before to seek Elohim for deliverance from this ungodly bondage to Kabbala and the coming false one.
Tom Cooper
The Israel Report
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Leading Kabbalist Urges Jews to Israel - More Disasters Coming 12:35 Oct 17, '05 / 14 Tishrei 5766 By Baruch Gordon
On Thursday night, Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri said, "Jews must come to the land of Israel to receive our righteous Mashiach (Messiah), who has begun his influence and will reveal himself in the future."
It was during the meal after the 24-hour Yom Kippur fast that several followers approached the 104-year-old leading known Kabbalist Rabbi in Israel. A family member asked him about his remarks last month regarding natural disasters in the world. The Rabbi said that the disasters are directly related to the redemption process, which will culminate in the coming of the Mashiach.The Rabbi added that in the near future, another wave of natural disasters will strike the world.
Last week before Yom Kippur, Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri's grandson, Rabbi Yosef Kaduri had a private audience with the elder Rabbi, along with an Arutz-7 journalist who is closely linked to Kaduri's court. Rabbi Yosef Kaduri said to his grandfather, "Not many Jews are coming from overseas. Why should they come?" The Kabbalist answered, "Because of impending danger." Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri then added a quote from Deuteronomy 4:15: "Be extremely protective of your lives."According to Rabbi Yosef Kaduri and the Arutz-7 journalist, the Kabbalist elder referred to a known esoteric concept of a "struggle between the oceans," and said that the large oceans [Haokeanus hagadol] would strike the world. Rabbi Yosef Kaduri said that grandfather's warning includes were Jews of the Americas.The elder Rabbi Kaduri told the two that on Yom Kippur he would have more things to say.During the afternoon Mincha prayer on Yom Kippur, the Kabbalist scholar surprised his students and fellow worshippers with secrets relating to the coming of the Mashiach. During the service, Rabbi Kaduri lowered his head and entered a deep mystical concentration which lasted uninterrupted for some 45 minutes. The Rabbi covered his eyes as though reciting the Sh'ma prayer and only his lips were seen moving.
Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri covering his eyes in concentration Students who thought the elderly Rabbi was suffering an attack of sort tried to communicate with him, but he did not break his intense concentration for a moment, even to nod. Only after some 45 minutes, the Rabbi raised his head and looked around the room at the students and worshippers who were gathered at his Nachalat Yitzhak Yeshiva, in the Bucharim neighborhood of Jerusalem. With a broad smile on his face familiar to his students when he has a revelation, he declared, "With the help of G-d, the soul of the Mashiach has attached itself to a person in Israel" [In the original Hebrew: 'Hit'abra bezrat hashem nishmat mashiach b'adam m'yisrael'].At the conclusion of his short declaration, murmuring was heard among the congregants as the Kabbalists' words were repeated for those who could not hear.Rabbi Kaduri has spoken repeatedly about the Final Redemption and referred to the calculations of the Vilna Gaon regarding the redemption, which appear in the Gaon's writings and are considered difficult to decipher.
The Vilna Gaon (1720 - 1797) According to the writings of the Vilna Gaon, a sign of the Gog and Magog war is its breaking out on the Jewish holiday of Hoshana Rabba (the 7th day of the Sukkot holiday), just after the conclusion of the 7th or shemittah [agricultural sabbatical] year.On September 24, 2001, Channel One Israel TV broadcast an item on what Torah and other mystics were saying in the wake of the World Trade Center attack. Speaking from the room adjacent to where Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri receives visitors, Arutz Sheva Hebrew radio showhost Yehoshua Meiri, a close confident of the Kabbalist, explained to the cameras Rabbi Kaduri's understanding of the events based on the calculations of the Vilna Gaon: "On Hashanah Rabba, the actual war of Gog and Magog will commence and will last for some seven years," said Meiri. Precise to the minute, 13 days later on October 7th as the sun was setting and the Jewish holiday of Hoshana Rabba was ushered in, US and British forces began an aerial bombing campaign targeting Taliban forces and Al-Qaida. That year was the Hoshana Rabba just after the shemitta year of 5761.According to the calculation, a 7-year count from that Hoshana Rabba is the date of a major revelation associated with Mashiach. Those close to Rabbi Kaduri say in his name that the 5th year of this redemption process is now beginning.They explain that the above-mentioned "attaching" of a righteous soul to a person of Israel makes the recipient a candidate for Mashiach, but not yet the actual Mashiach. This person gets an additional soul which finds expression in the adding of a letter to his name, without changing its pronunciation. The elder Rabbi Kaduri says that the letter added to this person's name is "vav" and the secret of his power is a Star of David hidden in his attire.Before he reached the age of 13, the young Yitzhak Kaduri studied with the renowned Rabbi Yosef Chaim (the Ben Ish Chai) of Iraq. Rabbi Kaduri tells that the Ben Ish Chai blessed him that he would live to see the revelation of the Mashiach. The Ben Ish Chai passed away, and Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri immigrated to Israel soon after.
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10-18-2005, 05:52 PM
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Francis, thanks for posting this. I am a believer that the Tribulation may begin in my lifetime. When we look at the events taking place now and the rapidity of them, I believe this more and more. Whether the Ati-Christ is among us now or not this I do not know. I will just say I am glad to be saved by grace and look forward to the return of Yeshua. I do not believe in a pre-trib rapture of the church, however. I believe in a pre-wrath of YHWH rapture. I first learned of this from Marv Rosenthal of Zion's Hope and believe his teachings to be accurate. There are many different viewpoints, but it is YHWH's will that will be done. End the end it will all pan out.
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10-19-2005, 07:44 AM
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While I understand and agree with a lot of the post, the "antichrist" is not a person. It is a spirit, that had been here since Paul's time.
The term "anitchrist" does not mean an opposite. The original Greek "anti" means "in place of". So this is a spirit that tries to take the place of Christ. There is also the harlot that controls the beast. All of this of course symbolic, as there will not be a prostiture riding a 7 horned beast.
Simply put, the beast is the system that all of us on this board seem to be battling. The US and Europe (along with most of the "civilized" world) are a continuation of the Roman empire, which was an continuation of Babylon. Farther back even, Babylon can be tied to Cain (yes, that Cain).
The harlot which controls this beast is the catholic church. I highly recommend reading F. Tupper Saussy's "RULERS OF EVIL: Useful Knowledge About Governing Bodies". It is one of the most eye opening works on the origins of the founding of the United States, European history, and the underlying influence that the Vatican has quietly shown throughtout the centuries. Go to his site at:
http://www.tuppersaussy.com/html/writings/writings.html
Don't believe me? During the last pope's funeral, even the secular media was calling him the "Holy Father". Sorry, but there is only one of those, and He reigns in heaven.
One of the pope's titles is "vicar of Christ". This means "in place of Christ". Where have we heard about this? Yes, he openly calls himself the antichist! Millions live and die by his whim, gladly.
The popes are the continuation of the roman emperors, which proclaimed themselves "Son of God".
I could go on for hours about the proof of these statements, but I will leave that up to the reader to follow up on.
I just don't want people to be hurt by looking for something that is already there.
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10-22-2005, 12:01 PM
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Thanks to all of you for this extremely interesting thread. My first reaction is FEAR ... fear of the subsequent and continuing religiously motivated wars that all of this will continue to foment. It's all one big ongoing "Holy Terror".
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10-22-2005, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cheetah
While I understand and agree with a lot of the post, the "antichrist" is not a person. It is a spirit, that had been here since Paul's time.
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Daniel 8:23
In the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce face, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.* (WEB)
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.* (ASV)
And in the later years of their kingdom, when their evil doings have become complete, there will come up a king full of pride and expert in dark sayings.* (BBE)
And at the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors shall have come to the full, a king of bold countenance, and understanding riddles, shall stand up.* (DBY)
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.* (KJV)
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.* (WBS)
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors have completed their transgression, there shall stand up a king of fierce countenance, and understanding stratagems.* (JPS)
And in the latter end of their kingdom, about the perfecting of the transgressors, stand up doth a king, fierce of face, and understanding hidden things; * (YLT)
Daniel 9:27
He shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate; and even to the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out on the desolate.* (WEB)
And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations'shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.* (ASV)
And a strong order will be sent out against the great number for one week; and so for half of the week the offering and the meal offering will come to an end; and in its place will be an unclean thing causing fear; till the destruction which has been fixed is let loose on him who has made waste.* (BBE)
And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and because of the protection of abominations there shall be a desolator, even until that the consumption and what is determined shall be poured out upon the desolate.* (DBY)
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.* (KJV)
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.* (WBS)
And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and upon the wing of detestable things shall be that which causeth appalment; and that until the extermination wholly determined be poured out upon that which causeth appalment.'* (JPS)
And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and 'in' the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'* (YLT)
Cheetah, you now have the burden of going forward to show that the fierce king and the "he" who is confirming the covenant is ONLY JUST a spirit and NOT an actuall man
Chapter and verse please
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10-24-2005, 12:57 PM
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Here goes yet another lengthy disagreement as to the actual meaning of Bible scripture. Does this make one believe that the scripture was Divinely Inspired???
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Daniel 8:23
In the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce face, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.* (WEB)
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.* (ASV)
And in the later years of their kingdom, when their evil doings have become complete, there will come up a king full of pride and expert in dark sayings.* (BBE)
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OK... Anyone... what exactly is meant by "dark sentences", "dark sayings"?
That's not ebonics, is it??? ;)
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10-26-2005, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Heidi Guedel
Here goes yet another lengthy disagreement as to the actual meaning of Bible scripture. Does this make one believe that the scripture was Divinely Inspired???
OK...Anyone... what exactly is meant by "dark sentences", "dark sayings"?
That's not ebonics, is it??? ;)
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"Dark sentences" means skilled in intrigue or versed in dark practices.
Heidi, remember that the Bible was devinely inspired, not man's understanding of it. Remember that I Corinthians 2:14 says of the natural man, "But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of YHWH; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised." By your own admission you have stated you do not understand certain things in Scripture. Does that mean that the Bible is not inspired of YHWH? Do you have the mind of YHWH that you can say to Him I am sorry but the Bible is not from You just because you lack understanding of the words therein?
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10-27-2005, 09:22 AM
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Heidi, remember that the Bible was devinely inspired, not man's understanding of it.
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I do remember that the Bible itself, claims to be divinely inspired. I do not believe it, however. It makes no sense to me that god would inspire people to write something that other people would not be able to understand. SO Why bother??? What is the point??? That concept seems ludicrous.
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Remember that I Corinthians 2:14 says of the natural man, "But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of YHWH; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised."
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Scripture is often unbelievable to me because it describes something scientifically nonsensical, and/or rationally contradictory, and/or intellectually ridiculous. So I guess an UN-natural man would find it believable, huh?
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By your own admission you have stated you do not understand certain things in Scripture. Does that mean that the Bible is not inspired of YHWH?
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I understand the scripture... I do not believe it could have been written by anyone but a collection of human beings. It means that the scripture is often so unbelievable to me that I cannot accept the idea that any divine intelligence could possibly be behind it. The contradictions, the cruelty, the primitive religious rituals, the unbelievable and illogical stories are all quintessentially and typically human.
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Do you have the mind of YHWH that you can say to Him I am sorry but the Bible is not from You just because you lack understanding of the words therein?
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No. Actually, if I could speak with God, I would say "Please tell me you didn't go to all that trouble to inspire hundreds of pages of nonsense. If you did, then please explain why you wanted people to struggle and argue over it endlessly. Better yet, please just talk to me directly, OK?
You've apparently misunderstood me when I've indicated that I do not understand. I have no problem understanding and comprehending the words in the scriptures themselves. They indicate, however, things that I do find irrational and/or unbelievable. Some scriptures are even shocking in their instructions to perform acts that I consider ignorant, depraved, cruel and primitive.
I have trouble understanding why any present-day, probably reasonably well-educated and rational person would believe everything that is written in the Bible. I do not understand how anyone with a rational mind can convince themselves that the Bible was inspired by god... whether you call "god" - YHWH or Jehovah or whomever.
How very clever that the scriptures themselves include a statement to the effect that normal ordinary people (natural man?) will often find the scriptures unbelievable ("foolishness") - and that if they do, it means they just don't understand the mind of "YHWH". I don't understand why you don't recognize how ridiculous that is.
OK. How about this:
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"Twas brillig and the slivey toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe. All mimsey were the borogroves, and the mome raths outgrabe."
-- Lewis Carroll, The Jabberwockey
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Anyone who fails to understand the above quote, and thinks that it is foolishness simply fails to understand the mind of Lewis Carroll. Amen
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10-27-2005, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Heidi Guedel
I do remember that the Bible itself, claims to be divinely inspired. I do not believe it, however. It makes no sense to me that god would inspire people to write something that other people would not be able to understand. SO Why bother??? What is the point??? That concept seems ludicrous.
Scripture is often unbelievable to me because it describes something scientifically nonsensical, and/or rationally contradictory, and/or intellectually ridiculous. So I guess an UN-natural man would find it believable, huh?
I understand the scripture... I do not believe it could have been written by anyone but a collection of human beings. It means that the scripture is often so unbelievable to me that I cannot accept the idea that any divine intelligence could possibly be behind it. The contradictions, the cruelty, the primitive religious rituals, the unbelievable and illogical stories are all quintessentially and typically human.
No. Actually, if I could speak with God, I would say "Please tell me you didn't go to all that trouble to inspire hundreds of pages of nonsense. If you did, then please explain why you wanted people to struggle and argue over it endlessly. Better yet, please just talk to me directly, OK?
You've apparently misunderstood me when I've indicated that I do not understand. I have no problem understanding and comprehending the words in the scriptures themselves. They indicate, however, things that I do find irrational and/or unbelievable. Some scriptures are even shocking in their instructions to perform acts that I consider ignorant, depraved, cruel and primitive.
I have trouble understanding why any present-day, probably reasonably well-educated and rational person would believe everything that is written in the Bible. I do not understand how anyone with a rational mind can convince themselves that the Bible was inspired by god... whether you call "god" - YHWH or Jehovah or whomever.
How very clever that the scriptures themselves include a statement to the effect that normal ordinary people (natural man?) will often find the scriptures unbelievable ("foolishness") - and that if they do, it means they just don't understand the mind of "YHWH". I don't understand why you don't recognize how ridiculous that is.
OK. How about this:
Anyone who fails to understand the above quote, and thinks that it is foolishness simply fails to understand the mind of Lewis Carroll. Amen
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How can you understand Lewis Carrol and not the Bible? if you really want God to communicate with you I believe he will. Even though he could say, I gave you my word, call me back when you believe it. Christ showed Thomas his nail holes and spear hole. He is big enough to handle doubt. there is a huge difference, I believe in someone having sincere seemingly huge questions about the Bible and really wanting to have questions answered or someone who has been hurt by religion, and by life experiences and turns their back on God and uses pop culture the Bible has inconsistencies excuses to defend thier position. God says to you the problem is not your questions about the Bible, but your hardness of heart due to some things that if you would have given to me I could have taken care of them. Still can any time you want to turn them over, but as long as you carry them as your shield to fend off other hurts, your beliefs, your shield will become the weight that brings you down, drowns you when the flood comes. For the Bible says that when the enemy comes in like a flood God will raise a standard. And when you are drowning from the weight of your shield you can cry out to god and he will deliver you even tho you have turned your back on Him. For god has chosen the foolishness of preaching to save some and the foolish things of this world to confound the wise.
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10-27-2005, 11:48 AM
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If you want a point by point description of my belief in these matters, it would take me pages (I get very detail-orientated with these topics).
Just like in many other spots, prophesies are not all for the “end of time”, but many have happened already. They were relatively short-term prophesies. They were that way to help people at that time. Many of the items in Daniel were about King Nebuchadnezzar (who was king of Babylon, which was the beast in it’s time).
I do not see how looking for knowledge can be something to fear. That sounds like the reaction the judge in the Schiff case had. I just like to know what is going on, so that I can protect myself and my family from it, to the best of my ability.
I believe in absolute sins. I do not believe that one can kill, just because another man says that it is for a “just cause”. If killing is a sin, it ALWAYS is.
I wrote a few little articles talking about this on my blog:
http://cheetahonline.blogspot.com/
Also, about being divinely inspired: The original text was, the KJV, NIV, etc. are translations. Most do not look up the original translations. Also, one has to look into the origins of each book individually to see if they are hoaxes or God-inspired. The only way to know for sure is to see if the writing is in character with God. He is love, and therefore any true documents inspired from Him will show love.
Next, science and supernatural are not at odds. The laws of nature (gravity, electricity / magnetism, etc.) are the way an object will react every time WITHOUT the help of an outside force. A rock will ALWAYS fall if dropped, UNLESS an outside force (could be a person catching it or God stopping it mid-air). In no way does a miracle contradict science. It just showed an outside force at work.
Finally, Jesus said that he can to confuse the wise, and that the simple, pure minds would understand Him, and the so-called wise, would miss His point entirely.
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