James Madison 1785.

[BoyntonStu]

“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.” James Madison 1785.

From a great Founding Father.

stU

Originally Posted by BoyntonStu

“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.” James Madison 1785.

From a great Founding Father.

stU

During a year here, spouting your disdain for the Bible and Christianity, what have been your fruits? Do you feel better?

YDAFS. From a great cartoon character.

Bob

[Livefire]

Mr I,

That above quote more or less describe BS!

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by BoyntonStu

“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.” James Madison 1785.

From a great Founding Father.

stU

Stu, I was looking for all of the "freeminded" athiest/agnostic unpaid volunteers along with the ACLU helping out the Hurricane victims.



Ya find any fruit in that respect?

[Livefire]

BAD WEISHAUPT!!!!!

You know the old maxim.......

It's impossible to prove a negative!

[BoyntonStu]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

Stu, I was looking for all of the "freeminded" athiest/agnostic unpaid volunteers along with the ACLU helping out the Hurricane victims.



Ya find any fruit in that respect?

I was a volunteer for United Way. I handed out hamburgers, tarps, diapers, water, flashlights, gloves, towels, apple juice, etc.

Now for you: How many Atheists were involved in the Inquisition, Crusades, witch burning, Holy War(s), etc?

Who forced the entire South America to convert to Christianity and who killed off the natives? Atheists?

Every Spanish speaking person outside of Spain was forced into speaking that language. Atheists?


Why do you look for acts? Isn't belief your thing?


stU

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by BoyntonStu

I was a volunteer for United Way. I handed out hamburgers, tarps, diapers, water, flashlights, gloves, towels, apple juice, etc.

Now for you: How many Atheists were involved in the Inquisition, Crusades, witch burning, Holy War(s), etc?

Who forced the entire South America to convert to Christianity and who killed off the natives? Atheists?

Every Spanish speaking person outside of Spain was forced into speaking that language. Atheists?


Why do you look for acts? Isn't belief your thing?


stU

YOu are again equating Roman Catholicism with Biblical Christianity.

There were non Catholic Christian believers before and during the Crusades who did not engage in such activity

There is no record of non-Catholic people doing such activity

REGARDING WORKS:
Eph 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.



See, the difference is that the believer gives God the Glory for appointing them these works

The non-believer gives himself and/or other men the glory to their own peril

[BoyntonStu]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

YOu are again equating Roman Catholicism with Biblical Christianity.

There were non Catholic Christian believers before and during the Crusades who did not engage in such activity

There is no record of non-Catholic people doing such activity

REGARDING WORKS:
Eph 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.



See, the difference is that the believer gives God the Glory for appointing them these works

The non-believer gives himself and/or other men the glory to their own peril

If we follow your logic, Catholics are non-believers and all non-Catholic Christians did better than Atheists.

Who wrote the Greek Bible?

The Salem Witch hunters?

Moslem God Believers and homocide bombers vs Atheist homocide bombers?


It takes a belief in an afterlife to kill easily and to die easily for a reward.

Atheists have to reason to expect virgins in Heaven or to die for Allah.

stU

[iamfreeru2]

Originally Posted by BoyntonStu

If we follow your logic, Catholics are non-believers and all non-Catholic Christians did better than Atheists.

Who wrote the Greek Bible?

The Salem Witch hunters?

Moslem God Believers and homocide bombers vs Atheist homocide bombers?


It takes a belief in an afterlife to kill easily and to die easily for a reward.

Atheists have to reason to expect virgins in Heaven or to die for Allah.

stU

Stu, many Catholics are non-believers. Many Catholics put their trust in works and in the Catholic doctrine. I went to the Catholic church for many years before I became a believer. Now I am not saying all Catholics are lost, just like I am not saying all Baptists are saved. If you put your trust and faith in false teaching then I would say you are lost.

My first wife's uncle was a Catholic Priest who taught in the Catholic seminary and told me in a meeting I had with him that the Catholic church does not believe the Bible to be the infallible word of YHWH. He told me the Catholic church gives the interpretation of Scripture because only they can. This is false teaching.

I agree with Weis; "There were non Catholic Christian believers before and during the Crusades who did not engage in such activity." This is one reason why I asked Heidi why she kept putting me in the same category as those that kill each other.

Most of the reason people were destroyed in the Bible was because they did not follow YHWH and went against His people. If you go against the people of YHWH you are on the losing side. Many times in Scripture the people never lifted a finger and it was YHWH that delivered them. You and Heidi keep stating it is believers that keep killing each other and if you really knew what the Bible teaches you would not be making these false statements. True believers do not do these things, but you keep on talking your talk. Followers of Yeshua know the truth.

[BoyntonStu]

Islam Attracting Many Survivors of Rwanda Genocide
Jihad Is Taught as 'Struggle to Heal'
By Emily Wax
Washington Foreign Post Service
Monday, September 23, 2002; Page A10

RUHENGERI, Rwanda -- The villagers with their forest green head wraps and forest green Korans arrived at the mosque on a rainy Sunday afternoon for a lecture for new converts. There was one main topic: jihad.
They found their seats and flipped to the right page. Hands flew in the air. People read passages aloud. And the word jihad -- holy struggle -- echoed again and again through the dark, leaky room.

It wasn't the kind of jihad that has been in the news since Sept. 11, 2001. There were no references to Osama bin Laden, the World Trade Center or suicide bombers. Instead there was only talk of April 6, 1994, the first day of the state-sponsored genocide in which ethnic Hutu extremists killed 800,000 minority Tutsis and Hutu moderates.

"We have our own jihad, and that is our war against ignorance between Hutu and Tutsi. It is our struggle to heal," said Saleh Habimana, the head mufti of Rwanda. "Our jihad is to start respecting each other and living as Rwandans and as Muslims."

Since the genocide, Rwandans have converted to Islam in huge numbers. Muslims now make up 14 percent of the 8.2 million people here in Africa's most Catholic nation, twice as many as before the killings began.


Many converts say they chose Islam because of the role that some Catholic and Protestant leaders played in the genocide. Human rights groups have do***ented several incidents in which Christian clerics allowed Tutsis to seek refuge in churches, then surrendered them to Hutu death squads, as well as instances of Hutu priests and ministers encouraging their congregations to kill Tutsis. Today some churches serve as memorials to the many people slaughtered among their pews…………………..


For the rest: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

Going from two bad religions to another religion as bad or most probably worse!

stU