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[Icesgirl]

Subject: The Eagle will Soar
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<DIV>This is eerie...</DIV>
<DIV>This is something to think about!</DIV>
<DIV>Since America is typically represented by an eagle, Osama and Saddam should have read up on Muslim passages... The following verse is from the Quran, (the Islamic Bible) Quran (9:11) </DIV>
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<DIV>"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace."</DIV>
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[Ice]

Interesting...


Osama actually hails from Saudi Arabia...


and isn't he actually responsible for the wake up call?


really interesting...


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Ice &amp; Icesgirl,


I wouldn't place too much faith in what the Quran has written in it-- UNLESS of course you are referring to an explosion of prostitution,STD's and such as "cleansing"( and I almost forgot- opium cultivation), as that's what has occurred since, a'hemmm "democracy was voted in there". Daniyl-Yahseph

[Ice]

Note:& The passage quoted is 9:11.


Daniyl-Yahseph,


Afganistan or Iraq?& All those things you mention were already a part of their daily lives.& Nothing has changed except for the political structure and the police power.& From "theocracy" to "democracy"... nothing else is NEW.& There has not been as "explosion" of "opium cultivation" or "std's"... these things have always been present at those levels.


Maybe now that the "oppressive" political powers are gone, certain things are done more openly (like prostitution).& But, don't think for one minute that these were not present at these same levels BEFORE the power change.

[suijuris]

In Afganistan, I understand things are pretty much back to normal, except the poppy business is at a record high..

In the meantime, things are pretty much back in the hands of the tribal leaders.

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Ice,


It may take some time, but you will see. STD's WILL climb, fatherless children will abound, ovarian cancer will skyrocket, teen pregnancies will become the norm rather than the exception, on and on and on... As for your statement below....


But, don't think for one minute that these were not present at these same levels BEFORE the power change.


Just how does that show there has been a "cleansing" ? It infers to me there has been none.


& Read Revelation 13 critically and then answer me the following:


& What nation was the nation to make "fire fall out of heaven upon men"?


& What nation decided to build an image of the 4th beastly government(Rome)?


& To make the whole world bow to that image?


& Get prepared to see strict enforcement of the Blue law here, before too long.


I love all you guys, that's why&I risk the almost certain ostracism that comes with speaking unpopular truths; The fact is Ice, you've done much to help me, whether you realize it or not.&Sometimes help isn't recognized when it comes, though. You will understand this though, take everything you gain in your "breaking free", then hide from the face of the beast you're breaking free from.


& Of what nation did the prophets speak, "Who can make war with him?"?

[Ice]

Please note: There has been a cleansing.& People are no longer being tortured or executed in either of those countries as they had been before the U.S. military action.


This thread dealt with only ONE interesting fact:& The above quote from the Quran... (9:11) and its significance relative to the military action (wrath) of the U.S. (eagle).


If those simple facts are not enough to make a person say "hmmm"... then so be it.


Here is another way to look at it:& What if Osama picked the date of 9/11 BECAUSE of this passage?!? ... but why would he purposely pick this passage?


All of this is just something to ponder... just something interesting to think about... and nothing more.


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Ice,


& I hear what you're saying.


& How's this though- Let's say, that like the Murrah building, all is not what it's reported to be. Let's say that all the " Saudis" involved in the 9-11 deal were actually raised in Jesuit orphanages..., let's say there's never been a conspiracy against the "sheeple" here, and things are just going on toward accomplishing a plan that certain wealthy people have long envisioned- just pragmatic(s) on their part. Or let's figure that Someone even greater has a Plan to fulfill, and is allowing someone lesser than He certain free reign to make a point, and thereby fulfilling His ultimate plan.


Granted, it is interesting that the "eagle" is mentioned, but I can see no Omnipotent and Perfect one exchanging wickedness(wanton murder) for wickedness(immorality of all grades), or for another wickedness(theft of a nation's oil or for military placement), and calling it cleansing. Even the Hebrew Scriptures speaks of the man of sin having certain dominion for a while, so why shouldn't the eagle find references, no matter for what period or purpose ? (Ben Franklin, I believe it was, considered the bald eagle a glorified buzzard)? The wild Rio Grand turkey, now there's a regal bird !


Let's say the Baltimore snipings were really random, and a lot of innocent people were not murdered or otherwise hurt just to kill one FBI statistician whose function was to track terrorists, and review data collected on their activities, re. concerning those already deceased. The U.S. is more noble than that; why Roe v Wade hasn't murdered near as many innocents as that hitler Saddam!


&Do yourself some justice though; Go through Revelation 13, and try to pin as the Beast from the sea& any entity&but the old Roman Empire, and the Beast from the earth as any entity but the good ol' corporate U.S. I noted that those particular points were not disputed, and I feel somehow you already knew the facts concerning same. And thanks for not ostracizing me,D-J

[Ice]

I have an extensive religous library and have been through very detailed and intensive study.& But this is not a topic that I speak of much.& Everyone will have their own belief where religion is concerned.& I will not attempt to educate the lazy.& "Study to show thyself approved".& I will not do the work for others.& This is why I say very little on this subject.


I would like to briefly hit on a few of your statements.& First, NO ONE IS STEALING IRAQ'S OIL.& Anyone that believes this is what it is all about (or even a part of) is a fool that has bought into the socialist line.& Don't even think it is about "stealing" oil.& It is much bigger than that.& The oil is not as important as you might think.


You say that you could not see an Omnipotent and Perfect One exchanging wickedness for wickedness.& But are you sure that is what is happening.& The Creator does allow FREE WILL.& And that is at the heart of&what is happening.& Remember, he cannot force those people to behave righteously.& You totally leave out the fact of FREE WILL.& They all have choice, they don't have to engage in Prostitution, poppies, or anything else.& Now that the oppressive regimes are gone they can exercise their FREE WILL.& Don't attempt to say that WE HAVE BROUGHT THEM WICKEDNESS.& It was in their own heart before we got there.


Roe v. Wade did not give women the right to abort babies.& Roe v. Wade decision only states that the Supreme Court does not have the right to interfer with States SOVEREIGN right to make any law in regards to abortion.& Roe v. Wade was not a blanket decision that allows women to abort their unborn babies.& (Some people refuse to read and understand that which they comment on... which isn't very smart).& Understand this, the propaganda that you hear in regards to R v. W is designed to take your mind away from the fact that YOUR STATE can OUTLAW abortion any time the people of your state demand it.


I would not ostracize you because you have opinions, or facts, of your own AND VOICE THEM FREELY.& You can do so in this forum without fear of "excommunication".& The one thing that I would not personally tolerate is any form of racism.& Any posts that contain such will be "edited".& This may be a "free forum" but we expect all to behave like good MEN.


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Ice,


Some great points you brought up:


1 The free will aspect;


2 The states rights to make law.


& Concerning number 1, I agree to a certain degree. But take into consideration&the fact that there was a time when all mothers could afford to stay home. Political engineering changed that (plus advertising and personal "lust for things", ignorance of natural rights,i.e. to not be taxed into debt). Now, it's nearly impossible "to have the better things" without making the choice for latch-key children. Political/social engineering. Still there's free will.


Number 2: I don't know what to say. The Civil war was to take that away, yet it remains. I'm stymied here.


&The oil thing. I'm sure you read Bush's new Order on that, so their oil would seem to've been a major reason for our going there, plus Haliburton's welfare, etc. And let's not forget military stategic interests.


You are right though; As per my talking about Satan being allowed some free reign so Yahweh's ultimate plan to be fulfilled, all men must have free will, prior to what's coming.


Malachi Martin did plainly state though, that all non-christians would be persecuted. Iraq is basically non-christian.