Religion Spell of ignorance

[Jerseee]

Very Rarely do I post in this forum because of threads like these. Not to infer that this is a bad or good thread but it is nevertheless the result of what religion does and has done to our society.

Randy, I have heard of that story and that is rather funny. But if that was the case (about how whites were created) then can anyone explain Albinos? I know the story on that as well.

hakeem, I know exactly where you are coming from. And Kgod, we both know the deal, so i hear what you're saying Man.

But to all, I can only assume that most of the participants in this thread has not traveled the world as extensively than I have. This is not to say that I am more superior in knowledge or better than the next guy/gal.

This is to infer that I actviely engage in conversations like this abroad with native people of their native land and get the perspective of other faiths in their home land where it is the dominant religion.

What I am trying to say is hakeem has a point to his message. Just as all on this thread do. But if you stop and think. I mean really stop and think about what you believe in and do not challenge how it all began--then you can get off the road that Ice has stated because no one will ever be free when they commit themselves to not seeking truth for themselves.

This is not to imply that no one here does not seek truth. The purpose of my post is because religion in any form or fashion makes me sick. It is a divisive instrument that has yet to bring nations together. It preaches peace and practices warfare. It is free to interpretation by the good as well as the wicked. It has been used to manipluate races into supremacy and others into inferiority. It benefits the wealthy and gives hope to the poor. Men and women have hid behind text to justify good and evil deeds, when good and evil are something folks desire to do anyway---in short, it aides in irresponsibility. There should be no conditions on speaking or getting close to the creator. Just as we do not need third party interlopers here on earth, we don't need them in spirit as well.

If anyone here can contradict this statement I am about to make, I will retract this whole post:

"When has there ever been a time, when all of these religions brought the world together in peace, through peace, under one common cause?"

I believe in sui juris because this does what it says and practices what it preaches. The Creator is not ambiguous--religion is.

On a side note: darkness is faster than the speed of light, since light begat from darkness. I'll let that one marinate on your minds.

[LUKE2447]

so basically you are saying kgod that Jesus is a myth..or only a story not actual events??

[Akira]

Hi all,

Oh boy... politics AND religion... we do get down and dirty here don't we? lol

I would like to offer some food for thought...

Religion is not the problem.... man's ego is...

Religion is the opiate of the masses = author = ????? (shame on me)

As I (used to) continually tell my sons... ALL things are either toys or tools... and even toys are tools... for having fun!

In my sojourn for Christ, I have used a variety of methods of "shocking" people out of their "rut" to try to get them to think. Over the years, I have used a variety of tools to do this.... some socially acceptable, and some not. Rather than seek the clean, wide and paved high road of understanding, I took the low road.. not because I didn't believe, but because I wanted to do more than just accept, I wanted to understand, so I went looking for the "Big Guy" myself.

Along the way I learned several profound yet simple truths, which I still carry today. I am under contract to share these with you... please indulge me for a moment, as I share three with you today.......


1) Whether quoting one of the great sages, using an occult tool such as astrology or tarot, seeking my spirit guide, or even the "Big Guy" and his Son directly for some knowledge, with which to shock my client out of their rut....

THESE THINGS ARE ALL TOOLS !!

A SURGEONS KNIFE CAN KILL OR CURE, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHO IS WIELDING THE TOOL !!!

The knife, gun, car, religion, patriotism, occultism, contracts, corporations, money, and even your HANDS, are only TOOLS and as such are not inherently evil... they can't be... they have no choice, no energy, no free will... only man's heart / mind / soul bring this potential to the table.


2) A Master and his student were walking thru town.. the Master said

M: Do you see that man over there?

S: yes...

M: Do you know that man?

S: Sure.... that's the town drunk

M: Do you LOVE that man?

S: Heck no !! That's the TOWN DRUNK !!

M: Your inability to love him, is not his problem.... it's yours... the LACK is within YOU ! You must put your own needs, your own perceptions, your own perspective behind you and become selfless... then and only then, can you put yourself in his shoes, see things thru his eyes, feel his feelings, and begin to comprehend why he has made the choices he has made.... only this way, can we ever begin to understand him... to love him.


3) Most of us are perceptive enough to recognise lacks in other people or when people are having a bad time.

Let's continue with the town drunk.....

He's sitting there... on the sidewalk, leaning against a building... with his sign, and donation hat. He's filthy, his clothes are ragged, he has no place to live or sleep, and he hasn't had a meal in weeks that didn't come from a dumpster...

It doesn't take Einstein to see the lacks in this man, or his lifestyle.

Of course, if we are open to it.. he and his situation pull at our heartstrings, and we feel compelled to help...

So we whip a $10 bill out of our pocket and give it to him and say, " go get yourself a good meal" or, if we have been down this road before, we may buy him a meal, or give him a blanket....

Inevitably, the "drunk" accepts the new "resource" and trades it for a bottle... often right in front of us...

We take this as a slam or an affront and generally, the experience ruins our day... we feel hurt.

All of these are inspired gifts, percieved thru empathy and selflessness....

But what is REALLY happening here?

What ruined this pristine moment was OUR own inability to LOVE ! yep... read on...

We felt inspired and gave the gift... because we wanted to HELP HIM CHANGE... to put him back on the straight and narrow... to begin his new life, now.... RIGHT NOW !!

But he takes his newly found resource and trades it away... why? because he is NOT READY TO CHANGE !

Our own EGO, based on the perceptions of our five senses, (read false images), has decided "this is your moment"... but did we bother to ask him?

The fact is "No one ever changes until they're damn good and ready"... you can lead a horse to water, but....

When a person decides to change their life in a profound way, it is always a decision between themselves and their maker. When that moment arrives, and the person is truely humbled before God, then and only then are they ready to change. When at that humblest of moments, the person in need will not only NOT ASK for assistance, they won't have the strength to even look you in the eye! It is at that moment.. and from that moment on, that our gift will not only be accepted, but truely appreciated..

So, it really becomes a question of TIMING !!

The question is not whether they have lacks, or whether we have the resources and the ability to fulfill them, they question is " has the person in need made his covenant with God and made the decision to change... and can we recognise that moment? Only then will our gift NOT be tainted....

Not only that, when the person in need has reached that point, a meal, a blanket, or $10 is really overkill... all it really takes is a kind word and a smile....

To give our resources away before then, is a waste of resources ! The fact is... when someone approaches and says "hey, I need help, can you do me a favor? can you lend me $20?" they are only wimping out, looking for a shortcut, an easy way out, for someone to bail them out of their fix.

They always have other alternatives, they just don't like them for some reason, (pride / work) and why bother, when an easy "mark" like you is available?

Our Love is a Weapon of Truth !

First we must become selfless, then use our empathy to "get inside", to touch their soul, and discern whether that person has made their choice, then and only then, will the situation becomes a win-win for all...

Anything short of this is a waste of EVERYONE'S time and resources, even the Town Drunk's !!

And.... we actually have a DUTY to say "NO" !


For your consideration...


For HIS Glory,
Akira

[Jerseee]

Akira,



There are a bevy of absolutes in your last post I agree with.



The tools you speak of are generally used for wrong doing because of the treachery of human kind. People, human beings, mankind, etc... are naturally malicious and are inherently wicked.



I say this because it is a struggle to do good. It is a struggle to be honorable. It is a struggle to avoid our nature to do harm or havoc.



The most peaceful person will rise up and strike the next peaceful person if there is a driving force. For example, abortion issues and its participants (pro and con).



It is an undeniable fact that people are naturally destructive beings that have to strive to do good. Watch a toddler at play. They will take building blocks and stack them up just to knock them down. They do not know right or wrong until the parent instructs them of the difference.



I say all of this because religion aids in this behavior. All religion is a cult. There are well established religions that call smaller, less popular religions cults. This is the black pot calling the kettle black. This is what sickens me. this is just one example of the ambiguity religion practices on the mind.



Cult: a system of religious beliefs and rituals.



Does that definition not apply to religions whether mainstream or not?



And Christ is not a person. Everyone has a christ. Christ is that pivotol moment in your life where you make that choice between spiritual faith or worldly faith. It is your annointment. This is part of the confusion that religion plays. Jesus found his christ and tesitified to it. Moses found his christ, Muhammed found his christ, Buddah found his christ, David found his christ, hell even Judas found his christ.



your christ is pure. It is undiluted and untainted. It is your resolve of a situation and the turning point of it. When you find your christ, your outlook will change, food tastes better or worst, you are accepting and discerning, your path straightens and curves. You have the ability to deal with all things and accept the power of your universe. i could go on and on but nothing can really interpret how it feels to get your christ.



Religion, wants to tell you know what it is, who it is, how it is, where it is, why it is and when you will get it. In the meantime you must suffer until they say you have it or you think you have it. then they put you under stress and strain to get it. And threaten you with a place that no one has seen or been to and have come back to say that it is below us or above us. this type of duress and pressure just to get you to do the right thing? Or what they want you to do. then sooner or later betray that illgotten trust of the people.



You will know when you are going to be called because the situation will have you torn between what you want, what you need and the outcome.



Timing is everything! it is the difference between salad and garbage.

[Akira]

Jersee !



Thank you my friend ! Once again I have stuck my neck out with my "wacked out" approach / point of view, and you have validated my observations.... Great minds think alike !! haha...



hAKEEM,



The earlier post was the esoteric version... now for the specifics...



I have noticed thru your many posts that your spelling, typing or possibly the english language are a bit of a challenge for you?



With that in mind... can I presume that your posts above are more cut and pastes of someone elses words?



That is fine... I understand you are seeking... and it is excellent that you read other people's points of view... but are you accepting them without critique? Or, are you posting them here to seek even more opinions on the subject, from which to refine your point of view? The purpose of analogy is to teach.. to provide an intrinsic understand thru example... The fact that you have labeled your text as "the true meanings" I find a bit... well... obtuse.



I have been a student of the occult for over 30 years... I have, on occasion, used those tools to make myself money, working psychic fairs and the like.... sometimes earning $120 or more an hour. The reason I mention this is because I can find a number of flaws in your astrological references in your initial post...



The most significant of which is......

Because the Sun in its course through the Zodiac is born between Sagittarius and Capricorn, between the horse and the goat. Thus the child is born in a stable or manger.

The Sun, in it's course thru the Zodiac, is BORN at Aries. This is the actual beginning of the Zodiac. Aries is the initiator and represents, among other things, the first of the 3 "Spring" zodiac signs, ushering in REBIRTH, after the desolate winter months.



The Sun itself is actually ruled by the Zodiac sign Leo which is the last week in July and the first 3 weeks in August.



When the Sun changes signs and goes from Sagittarius and goes into Capricorn, that is actually the day of the winter solstice or the shortest day of the year in the northern hemishere and the longest day of the year in the southern hemisphere. This is because the Sun has reached it's furthest southern position in the sky, relative to the equator, and marks the first day of summer for those south of the equator.



I am inclined to believe that this is actually the event being referenced, except that Israel, Iraq, Persia, are all in the northern hemisphere / above the equator, which kinda destroys that presumption.




Frankly, there is much speculaltion about the actual birth date of Christ.. With the months of July being created for Julius Caesar, and August being created for Caesar Augustus, not to mention changes in our calender in this country in the mid 1800's, it is at best an educated guess. I made my own studies into this several years ago, and came up with January 8th, (Elvis' B'day !! lol) in 6BC as the actual date. This was based on conjunctions of three outer planets in Pisces (ruled by Neptune=clarity/insight/selfless service)

Jupiter (philosophy/religion/higher mind =Sagittarius),

Saturn (man/father/disipline/structure=Capricorn) and

Uranus (Knowledge/freedom/humanitarianism=Aquarius),



which occurred 3 times in a 16 month "window", and which, alledgedly, formed the "star" that guided the 3 wise men.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also has made us able ministers of the new testament, not of the letter but of the spirit for the letter kills but the spirit gives life.



Hardly a comment has to be made. Here you are being told as clearly as possible that you should not take the New Testament literally. In other words what you read as events never happened. Yet in understanding you will find that they happen daily within you.

Specificly....

In other words what you read as events never happened.

I disagree... History has proven Jesus actually existed. He is recorded in a number of texts that are totally unrelated to each other.



While I do TOTALLY agree, that the Bible is written in parable and that only thru Christ can we understand, I do not agree with a statement in your second post....

Mythology is a coded language that is made clear to a race, when that race has evolved to a point where they can understand a degree of science and the truth of the invisible world.

To a Race? hmmm... to an individual? Definately !!



I remind you... Reason is derived thru the 5 senses, and as such, only teaches us false images about the world of which we are not a part. Rather than accept what is given, we use reason to draw our own conclusions. I am not suggesting that God's created world is not a wonderful and beautiful place, or that we should not investigate it's inner workings, so that we might witness the beauty and symmetry inherent in all of God's creations. I only suggest that any conclusions drawn from "reason" are a fool's foley. Reason is a tool of the ego.



In the old testament God was not available to man. A man could meditate 24/7 and never reach the "Big Guy". You only had access when God decided He wanted to give it to you... "and the Spirit of God came upon him..." Therefore churches were necessary, as a place where God could be found.



Since the persecution of the Lamb, that is no longer the case. The church, as a building, is no longer needed, because His spirit is present in each and every one of us. We have an unalienable Right from God, to sojourn in his name, regardless of what we choose.



Let me put it this another way...



Only now, scientists are finally coming together in discoveries like



the Universal String Theory... what do you know... everything is connected... literally !!!



Zero Point Energy Systems... you mean there reallly is something called cosmic energy? lol



These things, the esoteric sciences have recognised, for generations... prehaps the "(human) race" is waking up?



There is such a science called Geomancy, or study of the earth/physical universe on which the other esoteric sciences are based. So whether you take up the science of Astrology, Tarot Cards, reading Tea Leaves, or you're just a shaman throwing bones, sticks and shells, they all depend on two natural laws:

1) that all things are connected, and

2) that all things seek balance and will bring YOU what you need to do so.



According to the theory, no matter which of the disiplines you choose, or even if you intend to make one up yourself, (by making regular observations of the positions and conditions of clouds in a particular section of the sky, or by observing the particular details in some other target area to draw your understanding from), any part of the universe will reflect the conditions of the whole, if you know how to look at it.



The Mayan calender says the world will end on December 23, 2012. This date actually coincides with a physical event !! A big deal for astrologers.. Let me try to explain...



The same way the sun APPEARS to move into the northern and southern hemispheres in the sky, it is actually the earth passing above and below the Suns equator (or actually passes thru the imaginary equatorial plane, created by extending the equatorial line of the Sun out in all directions) The earth goes above the Sun's equatorial plane for 6 months (summer for the southern hemisphere) and then goes below the Sun's equatorial plane (summer for the northern hemispher of earth). this is a one year cycle.



The Sun mimics the Earth, in it's rotation around the Galaxy. This is a 26,000 year cycle. We spend 13,000 years above the equatorial plane of the galaxy and then another 13,000 years below it !



THE SUN WILL PASS THRU THE GALAXY'S EQUATORIAL PLANE ON DECEMBER 23rd, 2012 !!!!



This is the actual beginning of the "Age of Aquarius" and also signals the beginning of a new Astrological Year ! and a 26,000 year cycle !!



HOW THE HECK did the Mayans know this ???



Also... are you aware that an asteroid named QQ47 (a couple of miles wide) is due to reach the Earth on March 23rd 2014? Scientists are uncertain just how close it will come, they only know current figures say "real close". As every day passes, and QQ47 gets closer, they are able to further refine the figures... only time will tell !



God has always used nature as a rod of correction to disipline man as a race...



Perhaps our own righteousness is the deciding factor on whether QQ47 strikes us or passes us by?





For your consideration...





Akira

[suijuris]

Not being one of great scientific understanding, I am curious to know what the presumed effect of a several mile wide object crashing into Earth be?

[Jerseee]

Akria,



Thanks but I am not a great mind (hahaha), I speak from experience. I have found my christ in many a situation but from time to time, I slip and respond in anger.



I use my christ to be a beacon to others. Which I give freely on this site and the energy from the other christs on this site---help the whole site. You are doing it as we post.



By the way, I am an Aries.

[Bird]

Sui Juris:



The impact of a crater several miles wide would be devastating to the earth. In fact, it is a widely held view by scientists that the end of the dinosaurs came as a result of such a collision.



Presumably, the heat of impact would cause an immense fire, followed by darkness from airborne debris, and subsequent decline in atmospheric temperature... Major changes, we are talking.

[iamfreeru2]

Hello all,



I am not going to get into an argument about the Bible, but I will say that it is accurate and science is proving it so every day. Religion is man made and that is the problem in society. There is more faith, in my opinion, in evolution than in creation. There be but only one truth, not many truths. There is no such thing as relativity, but there are absolutes.



If you believe the Bible to be the Word of God, which I do, then what the Bible says: "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy3:16,17) means there is no error in it.



The Scriptures also say: "for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God." That means God directed the men who wrote the Bible. It matters not how many times men have tried to change the Scriptures. If it was written by the Holy Spirit the true translation can not be changed. I do not know about you, but the God I know would never allow that to happen. There are many writings that claim to be the word of God and are not. How do you know what is true or not true when it comes to the word of God. You study it.



Another problem is: "For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.



Ther are many religions out there that claim to have the truth. There is one truth that none of the others can claim and that is that Christ rose from the dead and is seated at the right hand of the Father.(Mark 16:19) All the others are still in their graves.



I will choose the Bible and creation any day. When you are born again (John 3:3) then you have a personal relationship with the only one who saves, Yashua the Christ, not religion. There is a big difference.



iamfreeru2

[Jerseee]

iamfree,



this is not an argument. it is a lively debate. Therefore, I would like to ask you a few questions regarding your position in your post:



Did you see Christ rise from the dead or did your christ rise from the dead? Which one can you bear witness to?



Have you been to heaven or hell; or have you experienced heaven or hell here on earth? Which one can you bear witness to?



Can you prove that scripture is the word of God?



If you suddenly realize that there is no heaven or hell after this life--would you still live righteously or hedonistically?



The only absolute you can truly claim is your own experience in life. You learn from scripture but how can you attest to scripture as gospel if you have not experienced the trial and tribulation is speaks of?



Faith and foolishness are 2 different things that religion likes to combine from time to time to keep you in line. Is it foolish to ask for proof of a claim?



Asking for proof of a claim has notihng to do with your faith, it has everything to do with the integrity of the accusor.