tithing with FRNs

[rushpat]

If tithing is the giving of the first 10% back to God through his ministry, that would be the first 10% of the fruits of your labor.

If FRNs are just debt, can you really tithe by giving 10% of your debt to the church?

No.


Well, assuming God doesn't play word games and deal in deceit.


Mmmm...


Cain worked hard to grow stuff to offer as a sacrifice.
Cain's "labor" wasn't an acceptable "sacrifice" and didn't "pay" the "debt."

Able just went out killed a sheep.


God was pleased with Able, not Cain.


Now, we "labor" for monopoly money that cannot "pay" a "debt."& Seems not much has changed.


Reckon God would accept my labor if instead of working I simply went out and killed something, like agents?


Randy


[disclaimer: To all agents monitoring this transmission, know that I am not seriously advocating any violence or harm to any agents working on behalf of the IRS. The files you have on me have enough of your codes. You need not add one for "dangerous taxpayer." So there. I'm no more of a danger to you than Socrates was to the power structure of his day. They, of course, "required" him to drink hemlock. You're seeking to require me to volunteer to give you my life's labor. Socrates must've been a better man than me 'cause I ain't gonna "voluntarily" provide you with information, sworn under oath, that you can use against me, when you have the same information but refuse to swear to its accuracy and reliability. Then again, hemlock tea, to escape all this madness, is starting to sound like a pretty good deal.]


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I am Sooooo Glad you brought this up.

There is NO new testament directive OR command to tithe. THe new testament tells us to give, but not to a church or a 501(c)(3).

Tithing is a LIE of the modern day charlatans known as pastors. I have sat under MANY pastors, and I have yet to meet one who will, when faced with the truth of the word, receive it with meekness. Every one I have shown a problem that their ministry had in the word has bucked up and kicked.

Go back and read in Acts how the church started out. They sold ALL their possessions and gave them away, and there was one purse. They then re-distributed to every man as he had need, and there was no lack among them.

If you tithe, you are NOT doing it out of a biblical command. The Levitical priesthood is not in existence today, at least in America, and we are not under the law anyway.

I know this is a rant, but I am TIRED of seeing the church (it's not a building) lied to and powerless.

Pastors preach that we are "robbing God" when we don't tithe. They are really the ones robbing God, by buying Lexus' and putting Marble foyers in, and Gold leaf paing on the wall while the orphans are cared for by the state (unbiblical) and the poor and widows are left to fend for themselves.

It's the same as what we here at this board are seeing. Life in the status quo will get you by, but what about when the Sh** hits the fan?

THen you need the real power.

First Baptist won't cut it.

I am very convinced that 80% of what goes on inside a churchs walls is not based on biblical authority, and designed to do one thing: Bring in more money.

Ok, I'm done for now, but be careful, I might raise up my ugly head again.


Thanks to this thread, I am changing my tag line to:

AMERICA'S CHURCHES: PRETTY, BUT POWERLESS.

Mornin', Mr. Bowman....


Well, we share similar "hot buttons," don't we?


You'll love this: The ONLY entity/item you'll find listed in the Internal Revenue Manual under "frivolous filers" is.......wait for it.....wait.....get ready...........

CHURCHES!


Organized religion, in this country, is just one more big business, in bed with BB.


Randy

Randy, We have (me, more specifically) been burned by the spirit of religion.

I feel vindicated in my coined phrase of a while back.

I told my wife, Beer is a ministry tool. She stood shocked and said How so? I said, Mention beer, and you will see very quick if someone has a spirit of relegion.

He heh.

I want people free. The movie The Matrix was right.

"The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window. Or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work. When you go to Church. When you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth."

[suijuris]

Luke 8:30
Jesus asked him, saying, "What is your name?" And he said, "Legion," because many demos had entered him.


I really wonder if there is any difference between the spirits of religion and the legion of unclean (poison) spirits that Messiah cast out in Luke 8:30.


Sui Juris

I would say NO. I believe that this is starting to come to a head. People are getting tired of the lies, and the lack of power related with the lies.

A house built on sand cannot stand, and erosion seems to be getting some notice. Some are getting out before the house crumbles.

Sound the alarm. When presented with the truth, most people do NOT know how to respond, because their knowledge is based on someone else's statements.

I love the silence that comes with answering the oft asked question: "Where are you going to church now?"

My response: "We believe going to church is unbibilcal."

Sometimes they allow an explanation, but most of the time they RUN.

Inside I crack up, but when I leave I pray that they open up to the truth.

[suijuris]

Yep... try asking them if they have been SET FREE. They will say "Yes".

Then ask them what compels them to "go to church" three times a week. If they are not compelled, but rather go of their own free will, what causes guilt if they choose to skip "church?"

Sui Juris

Yep. I was being "beat up" by a well-intentioned soul not long after I'd quit preaching, going to church, etc.& This person said, "You know what Jesus said about the man who,&after putting his hand to plow and turning back, was not fit for the kindgom of God."


"Yes," said I. "I do indeed. But I'm not turning back. I'm just leaving the plow behind."


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Randy

[rushpat]

I almost regret asking the original question (which appears to have been lost after the 1st or 2nd reply).

I've learned my lesson. I won't ask anymore questions in this part of the forum.