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Thanks for that link. I didn't know all that.

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The Truth About The Crucifixion and Resurrection

Roman Catholicism has dictated the dates of many Christian events and distorted the meanings of others. Baptists who ought to know better continue to celebrate Good Friday without ever questioning why.

The fact is that Christ was not crucified on Friday at all. nor did he rise on Sunday morning as Baptists have been taught by Roman Catholics to believe.

Yet in spite of the truth, we continue to cling to the traditions of men and in so doing, miss the tremendous type and symbol contained in the historical accuracy of the Passover. This paper will attempt to correct error while pointing to the Lamb of God as Savior.

"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly;
so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." (Matt 12:40)

According to tradition, Jesus died on the cross at 3:00 p.m. on Friday and rose very early Sunday morning. Many have wondered how three days and three nights can be compressed into such a short time span, especially since Christ was so clear in His statement in Matthew 12:40 . Most Christians simply ignore the obvious problem and hold the traditional view.

Most commentators argue that ancient Jews reckoned a fraction of a day as a whole day; so they say that a very small part of Friday, all of Saturday, and a smail part of Sunday can be figured this way. Jesus, however, was clearly stating that He would remain in the grave exactly the same length of time that Jonah spent in the whale's belly.

The solution to the problem is clear: Nowhere in the Bible does it say or imply that Jesus was crucified and died on Friday. It is said that
Jesus was crucified on "the day before the Sabbath"; (Mark 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath,)

The Jewish weekly Sabbath came on Saturday, commencing at sunset, Friday, the evening before. But what we forget is that the Jews had other Sabbaths beside the weekly Sabbath.
For example, the first day of the Passover week, no matter what day that may be, it was always a Sabbath (Exodus 12:16; Lev 23:7; Num 28:1-18).

Knowing this, ask whether the Sabbath immediately following Christ's crucifixion was the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) or the Passover Sabbath, falling on the 15th of Nisan, which came on Thursday the year that Christ died.

Even though history should cause us to consider that our tradition is wrong, our first hint that something is missing from our tradition is the wonderful symbolism expressed in the Passover Lamb.
It was not accidental that Christ died during Passover. The Bible Itself tells us clearly when Jesus died.
John tells us plainly that the day on which Jesus was tried and crucified as "the preparation of the Passover"; (John 19:14).
Christ then was not tried and crucified before the weekly Sabbath which is(Friday), but the day before the Passover Sabbath, in that year the Passover fell on Thursday.
Therefore, the only conclusion we can make is that Christ was crucified on Wednesday, the day of preparation.
John makes this fact crystal clear.
John's Gospel was written later than other accounts and seems to clarify (for obvious reasons) areas that may lead to possible error.

One false impression that we have accepted
by our ignorance of Biblical truth is that
Jesus ate the Passover at the regular time of the Passover.
To correct this false impression, John clearly states that Jesus ate it the evening before and that He Himself died on the cross at the very moment that the Passover lambs were being killed "between the two evenings" on the 14th Nisan (Exodus 12:6). God's real Paschal Lamb-Jesus,of Whom all other lambs offered through the centuries were only types, was therefore slain at the very time appointed of God.
He would not therefore eat the Passover Lamb on the Passover day. for He WAS the Passover Lamb on that day.

Everything about the Passover Lamb was a picture of Jesus:
1. He was a Lamb without spot or blemish
(Exodus 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats

2. He was chosen on the 10th day of Nisan
(Exodus 12:3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel saying, In the tenth day of this month
they shall take to them every man a lamb, accordings to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house, for it was on the 10th day of the month.
The preceding Saturday, is when the triumphal entry into Jerusalem was made,and not on "Palm Sunday"; as tradition suggests.
This fact is made abundantly clear since Jesus came from Jericho to Bethany six days before the Passover

(John 12: 1 Then Jesus six days before the Passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.)
Six days before Thursday would have been a Friday that He made the trip from Jericho to Bethany.

If the Roman Catholic's Palm Sunday is historically COrrect, it would mean that Jesus made the trip on Saturday (six days before Friday) in violation of the Law(Exodus 16:29) which was interpreted to allow Jews to travel no more than 2,000 cubits on the Sabbath.

Bethany however, was a Sabbath's Day journey from Jerusalem
(Acts 1: 12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a Sabbath day's journey. compare to
Luke 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.)
Jesus entered Jerusalem on "the next day ".
(John 12:12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem), and following verses.
It was also the same day that Judas went to the chief priests and offered to betray Jesus for thirty pieces of silver (Matt 26:6-16; Mark 14:3-11).
That evening (Friday night, before sunset) Jesus and His disciples ate dinner at Simon the leper's house. That same night (now Saturday after the sun had set , 10th of Nisan--remember that the next day begins at sunset) Judas sold Jesus. This was an exact fulfillment of prophecy in
Zechariah 11: 12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price;
and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.

Exodus 12:3-6 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel.
saying. In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers,
a lamb for an house:
And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbor
next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls;
every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year:
ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same mOnth:
and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

3. Jesus was killed on the 14th of Nisan between the evens, just before the beginning of the 15th of Nisan at sundown
(Exodus 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month:
and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.)

We ought to accept what the Bible says: Jesus was not crucified on the Passover day but on "the preparation of the Passover,"
and that he was to be three days and three nights in the grave,
and as "the preparation of the Passover" that year would be Wednesday
and His resurrection early on the first day of the week,
this allows exactly three days and three nights in the grave.
It seems inarguably correct that Jesus died around sunset time on Wednesday.
It seems inarguably correct that exactly 72 hours later, exactly three days and three nights, at the beginning of the first day of the week (Saturday at sunset becomes Sunday after the sun had set), He arose from the grave.

When the women came just before dawn on Sunday morning, they found the grave already empty.
There is no need to fumble with fractions of days or to twist our Lord's words to mean something other than what He said.
The statements of Jesus were literally true. Three days and three nights His body was dead and lay in the sepulcher.
He Himself however went into Paradise and declared that the perfect sacrifice had been made and then led the Old Testament saints out of that place and into the presence of God the Father.
(1 Pet 3: 18-19 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust; that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;)
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Cont'd

If we take exactly what the Bible teacheS, we see perfectly the marvelous fulfillment of prophecy and Old Testament typology. On the other hand, if we accept the Roman Catholic tradition, we rob Christ of His essential glory.
In fact, the traditional Good Friday/Easter Morning tradition not only robs Christ, it also neglects the clear teaching of God's Word, thus placing it beneath the traditions of men; a thing Jesus condemned
(Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.)

Some object to this explanation by the Sunday morning statement of thOse in Luke 24:21
(But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel:
and beside all this, today is the third day since these things were done)
By stating that, if the crucifixion took place on Wednesday, Sunday would be the fourth day since things were done.
The explanation is that "these things"; mentioned by the men on the road to Emmaus were concluded on Thursday (which began after sunset) on Wednesday night.
The first day since Thursday would be Friday, the second day, Saturday, and the third day would be Sunday, the first day of the week.
This objection supports the facts. On the other hand, there is no way that "three days since";could be reckoned if Christ died on Friday.

Some of the Scriptures that prove the facts are:
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly;
so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 26:61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.

Matthew 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself.lf thou be the SOn of God, come down from the cross.
Matthew 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things,
and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed,
and after three days rise again.

Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them.
The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him;
and after that he is killed. he shall rise the third day.

Mark 10:34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him. and spit upon him, and shall kill him:
and the third day he shall rise again.

Mark 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands,
and within three days I will build another made without hands.

Mark 15:29-30 And they that passed by railed on him. wagging their heads, and saying. Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, Save thyself, and come down from the cross.

Luke 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since things were done.

John 2: 19-22 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
But he spake of the temple of his body. When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered ~ he had said this unto them;
and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.


In conclusion: There is absolutely nothing in favor of a Friday Crucifixion or any verses whatsoever to support it.
On the other hand, everything Scripture offers on the time of our Lord's Crucfixion points to Wednesday.
You may say, "So What." The answer comes when we understand the wonderful picture of the Lamb of God and how He became our Passover. There is nothing in Roman Catholic tradition that can possibly compare with the truth of God's Word.
I urge you to distribute this truth and teach it. I urge you to leave behind the traditions of men which hide the Glory of the Lord. Jesus Christ.

N. Olson, Pastor Freedom Church Wolverine, MI
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Hi weishaupt1776,

Thanks for the study. This is what I've learned about Matthew 28:1. Where it qoutes Matthew 28:1 and says the word week, it's the same word for sabbaths at the beginning of the verse and which is plural. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_d...1666-1517.html

Mathew 28:1, In the end of the sabbaths, as it began to dawn toward the first of the sabbaths.

So God had made an end of OT sabbaths and began anew with Sunday, let there be light, the first day Gen 1:3-5.

Sincerely, Ryan.


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restatement

that was excellent Weis, but let's try this one:

a day is reckoned from sun-down to sun-down.

on the 10th of the month named above, select an animal;

keep for four days during which it is examined;

sacrifice it on the fourth day;

-- now, give the law, here are the "contemporary" events:

Jesus arrived in Jerusalem on the Sabbath and the people
found him to be acceptable;

on the third day he was arrested on trumped up charges,
questioned, interrogated, found guilty by twisters and liars;
(where was Nicodemos?)
(was Saul there?)
(were Aquilla and his wife there?)
(what of Apollos?)

taken to the civil leader to recieve the sentence, but civil wouldn't play
ball, in fact said "i find nothing worthy of death in him", that is, jesus is
innocent, meaning without blemish;

civil attempts to release one or the other prisoner the day of preparation before the high
sabbath, and the temple personal demanded Bar-Abbas instead of Jesus to be released.
Bar-Abbas was a murderer;

So, it's the fourth day, day of sacrifice of the lamb. Jesus is lead out of the city gates
to the hill of skulls, (yes, it's plural for a reason) where he is hung up on the trunk of a
stripped tree, surrounded by four other men, convicted criminals, two for being evil doers,
and two for some other crime.

he dies. on the fourth day before sun-down. zero hour.

now watch carefully. count 3 days (as Jonah) by hours.

0 hours just before sun-down; W.
+ 24h == fifth day, one day in ground; Th.
+ 24h == sixth day, 2nd day in ground; F.
+ 24h == seventh day, 3rd day in ground. Sa.

the phrase "first of the week" is Sunday by our contemporary calendar.
fourth day is Wednesday;
fifth is Thursay;
sixth day is Friday.

and remember that the jewish day begins at sun-down so you have to think,
end of day is the previous sun-down to the next sun-down.

scripture says, "Mary arrived *VERY* early on the first [day] of the week"
which can be any time from sun-down the previous day to sun-up; and!!,
jesus was ALREADY risen by the time she arrived.

the word of our father in heaven is exact, mathematically to describe and give us all the detail we need in order to determine what and when events occured.

all we have to do is read and remember.
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What year Christ born was this study done in? Because it is true that he was born ~7 BC. If the sabbath days are different in that year then this study then it wouldn't line up. Anybody know?

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What year Christ born was this study done in? Because it is true that he was born ~7 BC. If the sabbath days are different in that year then this study then it wouldn't line up. Anybody know?

Ryan

the nearest inference based on the "star" being a conjunction of planets would place his birth ~3 or 4 years "BC"
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Excuse me how did I go to Christ's birth, the study was looking at 33 AD.

And there's scripture for 7BC but also historical. It was a jubilee year, to proclaim liberty, 2007BC was the birth of Jacob, 1007BC David ascended the throne, Christ born in 7BC.

This is a ink http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:...&cd=1&ie=UTF-8

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Ps 7BC plus 33AD is about 40 years old. In Luke 3:23 it says, And Jesus was himself about 30 years beginning. God called his Son out of Egypt, so some years had passed before that 30 statement. And it lines up with other scripture about Paul 40 times being whipped save one, the number forty signifying testing, 40 days. Jesus was about 40 years old. 30 beginning, so at 35 years he would have likely began his ministry, and about 39 died on the cross.
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