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How are you, dear Heidi?
I try not to write of myself as I am irrelevant in the light of more important subjects and concentrate on concepts.
Being perceptive, you are right I was born in Europe in the North-Eastern regions by the Baltic Sea but not that close to Aivanhov.
I simply defended the basic fairness as any one who attempts to claim in the name of this, truly Spiritual man what the man has never claimed or argue prematurely without reading him at all is practicing not fairness to him at all.
I would do so for any one, as I follow the Principle - before the details.
My ways are Cosmopolitan and I equally respect a tribesman and a sage as long as their conduct is fair the least and equally would stand vs, their injustice, if any one exhibits such, after that is confirmed.
Europe, Orient, the Middle East and the USA have equal influences on me by parts and that, wider experience may be more advantageous to me as I am not confined to one only and is a mix of Cultures of the above.
I write in a combined fashion referenced by you, naturally, and not on purpose as that expresses the concepts I attempt to share better unless I have to resort to pure logic and become methodical as that may command.
My mind function more in the symbolic mode and I have to find ways to express the surfacing ideas not individual thoughts and have to break down the former into the latter, as I go along.
If I were to create a language, it would have been based on symbols not on letters, as that is the inner flow in my case.
I would continue with the Sun in the evening, as that is much more important.
Did the "squatting" ones stop their activity vs you or stil try?
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07-06-2006, 07:43 AM
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re: images of water...
Awesome, dear Heidi.
It was one of the many subjects I wanted to engage all on.
I am glad you began first, as... so many subjects - so little time.
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Any structure, particularly a leaving structure is imprinted with the energy fields.
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Organic structures preserve that very accurately in the respect to their complexity.

Even a leaf or shells are affected by thoughts of a person next to it....
or music played and look what people do to each other at times....
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SL: Furthermore, any thought as an energy wave shapes and alters the surrounding space!
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Thus, the concept: spirit shapes and forms matter.
In reality, it is an accurate statement!
The modern science would discover that one day and began seeing some of that during its research.
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07-06-2006, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharing Lights
re: images of water...
Awesome, dear Heidi.
It was one of the many subjects I wanted to engage all on.
I am glad you began first, as... so many subjects - so little time.
Organic structures preserve that very accurately in the respect to their complexity.

Even a leaf or shells are affected by thoughts of a person next to it....
or music played and look what people do to each other at times....
Thus, the concept spirit shapes and forms matter.
In reality, it is an accurate statement!
The modern science would discover that one day and began seeing some of that during its research.
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Yes... lovely, Sharing Lights. And how interesting it is to know where you come from and how world-wide has been your life experience. Thank you for sharing that with us.
And you asked me:
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Did the "squatting" ones stop their activity vs you or still try?
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One of them, calling himself "Bill Smith" still tries to interject personal insults when we are discussing a factual matter. I have used his statements to further elucidate about banking and inflation, though.
Meanwhile, I have felt no desire to return to quatloos to see what nasty things they are saying about me now. I would rather focus on our search for truth here at suijuris, where the squatlosers do not hold sway. And here I can also refresh myself emotionally and spiritually with discussions of positive and uplifting spiritual matters with delightful, intelligent and original people like you!
How do you like living in New york compared to North Eastern Europe? I'll bet it was spectacular scenery where you were born by the Baltic Sea. Do you feel more freedom here in the USA?
Namaste; peace; shalom
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07-06-2006, 03:23 PM
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Heidi,
I like that experiment with the water. Its very valuable for supporting things that the science minded demand proof of.
I had seen it quite a while ago, many years after I had learned about the principle of:
Spirit -> Thought -> Manifestation.
As a way to word it...
SharingLights,
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07-06-2006, 08:06 PM
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we are, all, humans...
Before I continue with the Sun-Human interaction, I would share my opinion based on overall perception, concerning the dialog between Aksis and I on that matter, as sense, that is due.
I would stop addressing what appears to me as fallacies among many valid points, as well, concerning what was raised by Aksis, as I believe that the person means well and has good intentions.
I feel so regardless of the points raised on all sides.
I addressed the most visible fallacies in logic and arguments over what is not read by him but argued.
Yet, all of us are humans.
I remember that.
I believe that Aksis can re-read himself and make his, own determinations and reflect on that if finds that to be appropriate.
I presented my arguments - he presented his.
I have no authority to state who is right, as I believe all readers have that freedom on their own.
I would rather continue with the original subject unless arguments over what has not been read would be raised or Michael Aivanhov would be presented, again as a confused, not agreeing with his teachings, man.
As time goes along, I, still, feel that Aksis would benefit many people with his prospectives as we all grow.
I had to respond as his earlier posts were (I state so) misleading many away from the true spirit of Aivanhov, not even by the first hand knowledge - but by, mere, assumptions.
I felt that he went too far, as Aivanhov didn't deserve that a bit.
As Aksis stopped..., I stopped accordingly.
Whether others may think that I could not oppose the other points, I say I can and would, as time permits but the overall perception is retained by me that I have to move on.
Aksis means well.
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If I am right, "stopping" on time is proper.
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Dear Aksis,
I do wish you sincerely well and I mean it.
It is only your choice how your search truth and share it, as the same applies to others, when they discover contradictions based on assumptions.
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Equality is preserved.
Assumptions are inferior to facts.
That's all I was trying to say.
I apologize if went a bit far, if you felt so but, didn't you provoke that as I only quoted you precisely and responded to that as well, after waited long enough and you, only, provided more assumptions as facts?
Please never shy away from raising any opinions as that is the purpose of all of us being here, EQUALLY.
Just, if possible, compare assumptions and facts, facts and assumptions...
If you would reflect on that, you would do well in Courts, as there, the grip is relentless and no chances are given.
If you don't, the judges and attorneys would exploit your assumptions vs facts and "bury" you alive in that respect.
Believe it or not, one day, you may thank me once pay attention to logic and its ways.
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SL: Injustice fears precision and exploits fallacies, while throwing deceit vs. truth.
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Meanwhile, you raised many interesting issues and, I believe, already, benefited many.
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Once, you re-read some of your statements after the Article is completed, you may look at things differently.
You may...
"Jumping the gun" has never been a wise approach...
Allow the trigger to click first.
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I believe, I did provide some proof to that as, always, try to keep my words.
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07-06-2006, 08:48 PM
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Heidi Guedel: Yes... lovely, Sharing Lights. And how interesting it is to know where you come from and how world-wide has been your life experience. Thank you for sharing that with us.
And you asked me:
One of them, calling himself "Bill Smith" still tries to interject personal insults when we are discussing a factual matter. I have used his statements to further elucidate about banking and inflation, though.
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Keep copying.
Please invite him and likes of him to debate me intelligently here instead of spagetting cheap insults behind the back.
I mean it, I would open up a thread just for them so we do not disrupt anyone.
They know that I only quote an adversary and respond precisely by the substance.
Therefore, all rights are preserved.
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Meanwhile, I have felt no desire to return to quatloos to see what nasty things they are saying about me now.
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They give you compliments by such ways as they admit thus that this is the only way they can oppose you - by insults not based on facts.
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I would rather focus on our search for truth here at suijuris, where the squatlosers do not hold sway.
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Would you believe it, their "right" to edit OUR writings is violated here. How dare we?
They probably call us ultra-extremists.
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And here I can also refresh myself emotionally and spiritually with discussions of positive and uplifting spiritual matters with delightful, intelligent and original people like you!
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You know that so many read your Posts with pleasure and you enrich them.
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How do you like living in New York compared to North Eastern Europe?
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The USA has more opportunities than the most of the world but the culture in Europe is considerably higher.
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I'll bet it was spectacular scenery where you were born by the Baltic Sea.
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Amazing and so many forests and parks even in cities.
Clean streets and beaches as garbage throwing is not as popular as in NY.
I could never get used to too much stone and fire-escapes in New York.
When people are away from Nature for too long, they become more hostile, I believe.
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Do you feel more freedom here in the USA?
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See the above.
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07-06-2006, 10:24 PM
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Part X
Let’s face it
The solar system is comprised of the Sun, planets, asteroids, “space” dust, and semi-belonging comets trapped in the gravity pull as well as few, other objects contained in the region.
All planets are chunks of the original solar mass that wondered off to the periphery due to the rotation of the central mass.
Once they cooled off enough, they solidified.
Some have not solidified fully as the Jupiter.
Had it been some more, massive, it would have been able to ignite as a small sun, becoming a star.
Our planet- the Earth is, also, a chunk of the Sun.
Every planet is made of the same elements of the periodic Mendeleev's Table, as the Sun is since every planet came from the Sun.
All life on Earth is made of the same elements as those of the Sun.
We inhabit Earth; therefore, we are made of exactly the same elements as the Sun:
you, I, and all.
We are, all, made of the crystallized sunlight and all of its spectrum.
We are it.
“.... the "I AM" or "I am that I am" is perfectly fine as that proves that
I am and you are and all are of the Sun.
Yes, the Sun is only one star out of the immeasurable numbers of them in the vastness of space.
Yes, the Higher Intelligence or Unverse has created it and would
continue creating others.
No one, following logic, has claimed the Sun to be above all.
Yes, in our Solar system, which we inhabit, it is the closest to us star and the direct source of life.
We can safely look at it as a representative a delegate of that Universal power that gives us life.
Life is manifested to us through that Sun.
The Sun is not it – it is a part of it.
The world is not the sun – it is all the suns and what is around them.
As all are born through their fathers and mothers on Earth,
all of us and our fathers and mothers and sons and daughters are,
also, born through the powers of the Sun, by virtue of the later giving life to all.
Again, God/Universe/Nature are above and contain all.
The Sun is its representative to us through the Earth and all the concepts in-between.
There is nothing wrong in being aware of the whole Universe or God.
Yet, we must be aware that the creative forces created the Sun as the source of life for us all.
It is the closest to us source of life itself.
Those of you who scream, “God, God, God” could you please pause for a second and realize that whether some of you see and/or feel God, all can see and feel, and, definitely, experience that process when it comes to the Sun.
It is impossible to deny the existence of the Sun.
No one is calling the Sun – God, but it is, practically a perfect creation of the God/Universe.
Let us suppose God exist.
Has anyone talked or saw Him/Her directly?
Common, let us be honest now.
I am not talking of metaphors and symbology.
I am talking of evidence as in Court.
I rarely guarantee anything as life can be so tricky but I guarantee you, all this.
No one sane has ever talked to or saw God directly.
You can say whatever you wish and the Forum is opened to all, but,
please rely on facts or reasonable logic.
I would prove it to you.
Before you jump on me, “how dare he write that?”
just read the logical chain of thoughts and discern on your own.
God or Universe, any term you wish to use is everything that there is!
In one sentence, I gave you the true definition of both.
If I am wrong, that means that:
1) God: is not everything and there must be other Gods.
2) Universe: is not everything and there is something behind the Universe.
Both are fallacies and so obvious that I can safely proceed further.
to be continued
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Part XI
Only a mentally challenged person, in my belief, can state that he/she has seen or talked to God or the whole Universe: all the stars, planets, asteroids, moons, space dust, etc
or who had the same experience with God as He/She can be substituted with the word Universe only implying that it has the Intelligence
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no one has ever seen or talked to the Whole and Absolute any way you call that.
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A relatively small, fixed object in space as humans are in terms of their geometry
is not capable of seeing or talking to the everything that there is.
That implies that have to be of the same magnitude and absolute size in order to see/hear all.
That cannot be true as the tallest humans ever described were about nine feet.
OK for the sake of an argument, I would use the size: ten feet tall.
Can that compare with the Absolute and can that see it?
I believe all got the point.
No one can see the whole Universe and no one can see the whole God.
That brings a point that we can see some part of the above.
OK, the question is
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which part of the Universe or God is the closest to us and most nurturing?
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Logic tells me that the first closest level is our mother and father
as we are born through them, nurtured, and raised.
Those of you who scream again, “God, God is the closest,
hold your horses and hold your donkeys, while I reply,
"rewind the video tape (DVD) of your history
and you would see your daddy after reading some poetry or talking of politics
climbing your mama and doing his best to enrich the world with you.
Now, you can raise an argument that it could be mama that….
OK, I would stop here so we do not wonder of the main subject.
Regardless of the position,
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you were conceived through that act and not a prayer.
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You can say the forces of the Universe/God acted through your
parents but the parents were the vehicles of such force, nevertheless.
Your parents made sure you appeared in this world so that you
could read this article one day and criticize me back.
God/Universe supervised but the parents did act on that.
Just believe - they did.
Proof? You are reading this thought right now.
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I, believe, I proved that the first, closest to us level, is our parents.
2) The second level is, I believe our Earth.
I say so because
your parents (yes, mine too) were, also conceived on Earth and not on Mars or Pluto.
Of course, one may argue that parents of parents and so on are the further levels closest to us,
but that is redundancy as I mean levels not numerology of the same level.
The Earth is the next level of what assures our existence in this world.
3) The next level, following that logic must be, as you guessed, the Sun.
The Sun is the one that gave birth to the Earth and other planets.
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the Sun is the next level in the chain of command
responsible for out birth and assurance of our existence.
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4) Well, science proves, as well as all spiritual concepts
that the Sun is not the Ultimate level.
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We have many Suns in the Universe and many Earths;
they are, just, of different sizes, temperatures, and names
but other, solar systems do exist.
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Since we know that, we cannot say that the Sun is the highest
level of what gave us life but we can say that, in our Solar system, it is.
Why should we talk of other, solar systems, which are so far away
that we do not see or feel them well?
Do you?
I don’t.
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We cannot feel all the solar systems but we do feel our Sun and quite intensely.
It gives us everything we need and even gave us Earth and our father and mother.
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07-07-2006, 06:21 PM
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Shareing Light,
I can appreciate your addressing the science minded... yet the world was round long before science minded people ever said it was so... and at that time, those of science said such things were not of sound mind.
The insane call the sane crazy... are they qualified to make such determinations? Absolutly not...
As to my accertion that Omraam doesn't agree with everything he has written:Who could not look back and see that they could have improved their life's works? Think you a Master, regardless of how clear, would not see the ability to improve? Nay.
Further you made an accusation that my disagreement with a point that Omraam made, was a disagreement with everything the man has ever written. This is not what I said.
I don't need to read the interpertations of this particular Master, when I can "read" what he was transcribing them from...
The prespective that one is the body and has a Soul [prehaps] is drasticly different then the perspective that one is the Soul and has a body.
Further, can speak to what others have done or not done? Your accertion that it is not sane for someone to say they have interacted with & experianced God is silly... " see"? " talk"? semantics...
Now, all that aside,
As to your observations & your interpertations of Omraam's written observations of the Miya/Material substance of the Universe...
I believe we will have some things in common and I would prefer to interact on common ground. I don't like agruing and we could disagree endlessly.
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Before we get into the discussion of the Universe [mostly for those who like to theorise & distort definitions], I am going to establish this to clear the "slate" & prevent any confusion due to distortions of the word "Universe":
The concept of Multiple Universes if false because, should there be discovered that there is more to the Universe then was originaly precieved/imagined & recorded at any time, the word "Universe" encompasses this newly discovered portion of the whole. The purpose of the sound uttered and written is to describe the "all", or "everything".
Uni verse = one word = All
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Sharing Lights, you had brought up some points about the sun being the source of many things...
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I see that it, the material Universe is comming from the Sun as well. I am not going to get into the concepts of the "Great Central Sun", yet I am aware of this, and accert that it (the Great Centeral Sun) is the point of origin of the manifest Universe, yet God is it's point of Origin. Yet this is a "scientific" discussion, so...
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As a prolepsis & very simple illustration of the whole principle that i am going to explain, is to observe h2o molecules (water).
When the temprature (atomic vibration) is high, the h2o would be called "steam" (gas), as the vibration lowers, the "steam" becomes "water" (liquid), as the vibration lowers further it becomes "ice" (solid). This all has to do with the speed that the electrons in the hydrogen and oxygen atoms orbit the nucleus.
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That the Sun gave birth to the planets was not a point I am in disagreement with.
And I comprehend it thusly:
As the particals that compose what is called "sunlight" move away from the source, the electrons orbiting the nuculises of the atoms begin to slow their orbit. The speed of orbit of the electrons could be called the "atomic vibration".
They, the atoms, then begin to quagulate into the basic elements & molecules forming fine gas & dust.
These gas & dust particals further quagulate and densify into heaver gasses & denser dusts and more complex molicules and as these begins to densify, they are pushed further from the sun.
As the substances further distance from the source, the vibration lowers even further and more quagulation occures.
Picture, at this point, a "ball" of gas & dust spinning and orbiting the Sun at a distance of within 100 miles and other gasses and dust particals moving further out from the sun to join this quagulating spining accumulation of atoms.
The suns energy is actualy pushing this denser mass away from it, not pulling it towards it and the denser the mass gets, the further it is pushed away. Due to the long observations of the Moon of Earth, many theories likening a "ball on a string" have been irronioussly applied to the planets.
While the "ball on a string" principle can be seen in the relationship of the moons of planets, it is not seen when observing the relationship of the planets to the Sun. This is due to the fact that, unlike the Sun, the planets are not expelling such a massive and constant force. It is this "force" that the plantes "float" upon.
Now, I must now re-introduce the ball-on-a-string theory to some degree, there is also an attration of the planets to the Sun... kind of like a love hate relationship...
The part of the planets that remains like the sun causes the law of "like attracts like" to draw the planet back to the sun, but the denser matter is pushed away.
A quick look at the experiment of the vacume that has the flow of air reversed and then a ping pong ball placed on top of the exhaust hole is a good illustration of cause of the "floating" and "spining" principle.
Now granted, the word "ball" is not the best word to use to describ the mass of gas and dust at this point in the planets birth, yet for lack of a better word, and, what it will eventualy solidify into, I choose the word "ball".
As this gasous dust ball moves further and accumulated more mass (more atoms moving away from the sun and lovering in vibration), we begin to observe liquid forming, and finaly what is called "solid" particals begin to form.
Now we have a ball of gas, liquid, and solid particals. ( As many know, when the trempreture of any solid reaches a certian point, it will turn to liquid and then to dust and vaper. Your small atomic explosions have proven this on a micro-cosmic scale.)
The spining of the ball is cause by the flow of the sunlight passed the surface of the mass.
This process of quagulation, distancing & solidification continues untill eventualy the mass of gasous liquid molten matter begins to form a crust and takes the cradel orbit... it is then qualified as a planet & named:
Mercury
The actual distances I used in this illustration are not accurate, nor is a time span given, yet it has not occured within the written records of Earth, thus to specualte that it takes more then 10,000 years would not be false.
I know this is a very simple illustration, and, is in direct conflict with many well documented thories... futher I have not bothered to answer all the questions that this will cause, or, to go into the transition of the planets from one orbit to the next...
This will all be leading up to discussion of the formation of Life on the Third planet... [and is quite possably an attempt to set deeper into the minds of people that you are some kind of evolved monkeys and not the truth, you are Divine Beings created in the Image and Likeness of God, who via your God given powers, have made your selves into monkey-like-creatures. Space Monkeys you say??? Could this be the real drive of the space program? To go to other planets, to have sex with the indiginous life there? I am sure thats what evolved space beings who can travle of one gallexy to the next are doing...  ]
In all this, I could care less what people think about. I don't want to control peoples minds, yet I know that thought will eventualy produce manifestations.
The manifestations comming from those whos faith is that they are evolved monkies gives birth to the whole Alpha Male concept,
This gived birth to the Overlord/Ruler of Earth being a single man, and further, the concepts of Might is Right...
The Apex of your tier[any] may seat with Us as equals... yet we will not be bending knee to your ego.
When will people stop following the animals and strart embodying the divine beings they truly are.. The Masters... of the Animal Kingdom and the other lower kingdoms (plant & mineral)?
The answer, simple: When they choose to doubt they are some form of evolved monkey and an animal.
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Part I
[quote=aksis]Shareing Light,
Accuracy is important.
Fallacies from small things lead to bigger.
"Sharing" is not "Shareing."
I can appreciate your addressing the science minded...
Again, you chose to present your assumptions as facts.
"God/Universe/Nature are consistently referred by me, leaving total freedom of choice to all.
You try to present me as
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addressing the science minded...
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Do you really believe that such tactics can work? I, truly, try to address all people and you know it.
yet the world was round long before science minded people ever said it was so... and at that time, those of science said such things were not of sound mind.
See the above.
The insane call the sane crazy... are they qualified to make such determinations? Absolutly not...
If your fallacies and misrepresentation of Aivanhov and me are attributes of sanity and precise quotations of yours put next to what was actually written are called as insanity, I can not explain how the sky looks to the one who refuses to open the eyes.
On top of that you appeal to "Absolute."
As to my accertion that Omraam doesn't agree with everything he has written:Who could not look back and see that they could have improved their life's works?
Do you know what logic is?
Do you care to know?
Again, you make assumptions on behalf of another person.
You continue your fallacies and keep drowning in them deeper and deeper instead of analyzing your ways.
Think you a Master, regardless of how clear, would not see the ability to improve? Nay.
2 x 2 = 4.
Yes, you can improve and say, "in the eyes of the beholder and under the unveiling circumstances of the existence of sublimating depth 2 x 2 =4.
You can, also, form myriads other word's combinations, polishing and deepening thoughts, so what?
2 x 2 is still 4.
Unless you learn to admit being wrong, when are wrong, your ego would continue misleading you.
It is playing games with you and you allow that to happen.
Your pride is controlling you, as those who truly search truth, try to reflect it.
I continue addressing your details even when try to stop because your case is not unique.
Further you made an accusation that my disagreement with a point that Omraam made, was a disagreement with everything the man has ever written. This is not what I said.
Now, you accuse me that I said that.
Dear Aksis, I would go a bit further and then, my common sense tells me to stop as you refuse to see reason and simply defend yourself - not the Principles.
I can't dwell on an ego of one person for too long, as my desire is to write what may be useful to many.
I tried, I really tried with you and even felt sad that caused you some pain by me replies.
Believe me I do not enjoy seeing that.
Yet, you are ruled by Ego now in your defenses unrelated to the real issue - not by the search...
Yes, that is my opinion based on all of your replies till now.
I don't need to read the interpretations of this particular Master, when I can "read" what he was transcribing them from...
You can't even read the spectrum of light and see the difference between your assumptions and facts.
Do I need to say much more?
The prespective that one is the body and has a Soul [prehaps] is drastically different then the perspective that one is the Soul and has a body.
To you perhaps. To reality - it is equal.
Further, can speak to what others have done or not done?
If I read them, I can.
If I have not read them, I do not have such talent as you do.
Do you read your, own questions sometimes?
Your accertion that it is not sane for someone to say they have interacted with & experianced God is silly... " see"? " talk"? semantics...
"There, you go again," said Ronald Reagan ones.
(actually, more than once.)
Now, all that aside,
Thank you.
As to your observations & your interpretations of Omraam observations of the Miya/Material substance of the Universe...
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I believe we will have some things in common and I would prefer to interact on common ground. I don't like agruing and we could disagree endlessly.
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Please argue, ask, state -all that is your right but base it on logic and/or evidence not falacies and assumptions.
Let's put it this way.
If I see, your contradictions, what makes you believe that others don't without me writing a word?
This is more for your benefit.
Before we get into the discussion of the Universe [mostly for those who like to theorise & distort definitions], I am going to establish this to clear the "slate" & prevent any confusion due to distortions of the word "Universe":
The concept of Multiple Universes if false because, should there be discovered that there is more to the Universe then was originaly precieved/imagined & recorded at any time, the word "Universe" encompasses this newly discovered portion of the whole. The purpose of the sound uttered and written is to describe the "all", or "everything".
Uni verse = one word = All
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That logic doesn't stand.
On top of that, I do believe in multiple Universes.
I allege that spiritually and physically the world is referred to differently.
The concept of God encompasses everything that there is in its Absolute.
The word Universe is referred to the scientific space-time phenomena.
The science shows by the existing evidence that the Universe is expanding.
That implies that the process could be reversed in reversing the time.
Another word, we could, theoretically, move back in time and arrive to one, single point from where the Universe began its expansion.
The Big Bang - they call it.
I refuse to believe that the Universe was contained on one dot and would return to such state one day.
I talk of the whole and Absolute Universe.
I refuse to believe that out of nothing that singularity appeared at some time ago.
What was before?
Eternal void?
Why was it broken?
How can even dot appear out of nothing?
If science advocates eternal expansion-contraction cycles, then the question remains such:
how can it be that time of the cycles is eternal in-out, out-in... and the space borders are finite and fixed?
Eternal time and fixed space.
Then, we can find the exact spot from where the whole world came into being.
I believe in finding answers in observing the nature by the law of Hermes Trismegistus, "As Above - As Below!"
Humans have heart, which provided in-out, expansion-contraction movements.
To each human, there is the reality of only one heart, known to him by the actual perceptions.
Yet, there are many humans and not only humans have hearts and creatures with heart may be on other planets in other solar systems as well.
Hearts, I believe take their nature after the forces that created them.
Another word, there must be a precedence in the Universe, where expansion-contraction occurs in its cycles.
As there are myriads of hearts and all expand-contract, I believe the same principles are above.
The are infinite numbers of the Universes in infinite space of infinite time.
While one universe contracts, another expands as with hearts of so many live creatures.
The distances between the universes are vast enough not to interfere with each other so that cycles are completed.
There was no beginning of the Absolute, nor end to it.
There is no edge - no border, beyond which, there is void.
Each end is the beginning of another beginning encompassed by Eternity.
As paradox-full that may be, the creation out of nothing at some fixed time ago is more paradox to me.
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