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Originally Posted by KaosTheory
Jersee wrote:
KT,
This is as plain as I can state it. I thought my examples of acceptance would
show you. Okay, here it is....
2 + 2 = 4. For me this is truth but there is a debate on this issue that some
mathematicians don't agree with it. I don't know the details of the debate but
I know it exists.
So if someone does not accept that fact--it is not fact to them. Follow me so
far?
So if some mathematicians do not accept the fact of 2 + 2 = 4, then it is not
fact to them. So weighing both sides of the argument over 2 + 2 = 4; what is
truth?
Just because its truth to you (which maybe widely held) does not mean its truth
to someone else. So what is truth?
The thought is basic--yet it is engrossing.
Definition: Truth to me is an absolute, undisputable, positive which cannot be
false and must be accepted as such.
This is my definition of truth/fact. This may also be someone else's definition
of truth when the situation that we know as truth is challenged by someone
else's thought of what truth is in a particular situation or cir***stance.
So let's go back to the Atheist. God does not exist for them---this is true.
For the believer, God exists, this is true. So what is truth? Are there 2
truths?
Step out of your box and look at what I asked. Don't use your life as a measure
of these things. I put this DISCLAIMER out there a page back. I understand your
belief in the Almighty. This is not about what you believe in. It is about what
is truth? How can your belief be true and an Atheists belief be true? Folks are
injecting their belief of what is truth to them and not what is truth in its
own sense to someone else.
IMHO this is the problem. Theologians, Politicians, Satanists, and whomever,
spewing out what is truth and using it as a cover all.
My answer to "what is truth?" truth is truth if it is accepted as truth. It
matters not of a outcome to a person. If they don't believe in the truth as I
know it--then it is not truth to them. I cannot force my truth on their truth
to try to disclaim it. That means I am judging if I attempted that. And that is
not acceptance. That is persuasion. For only a person may accept things as
truth and not be forced to accept it---that is not acceptance.
The same standard applies to the other side as well.
iamfree,
prove that an Atheist calls out to God on their death bed.
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The fundamental problem with the above is that the one who declares that there is no God
is absolutely wrong and an absolute negative cannot be proven.
There is ONLY one truth: the believer and the unbeliever CANNOT assert two different truths;
either there is a God of god, aka our father in heaven or there is no God of gods.
Both cannot be right.
in terms of boolean logic the issue is plainly seen and demonstrated:
(God is) or (God is not)
only one of those () phrases is correct because the `or' admits ONLY one truth.
the sun rises once per day: a truth.
snow caps at the poles: a fact.
clouds in the sky: a fact
Man dies: a fact (reborn man does not die) (I'm not going there - if you dont get it, read more bible)
The problem above begins with the statement `2+2 = 4'
that statement is ambiguous in its presenting. the digits 2 and 4 are symbols
and being without clarification they are just lines in bits, or on paper.
the symbol 2 can contain values but in stark meaning as taught to children,
2 means "2 things" and 4 means "4 things"
when two groups of two things are combined then you have 4 things in one new group.
it's more closely related to set mathematics than just plain mathematics.
