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Old 05-25-2007, 07:51 PM
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I used to be a U1st agent, but I resigned because I could not with a clear conscious charge people an exorbitant fee for something they can do on their own for free. Plus, I was counseling people to create more debt. Telling people who are in debt to create more debt is unethical.

The more I learned about finances and debt, the more disillusioned I became. The vast majority of financial planners and advisers I came across all recommended the same things, which are completely free.
1. Make a realistic budget and stick to it
2. Cut up the credit cards.
3. Pay yourself, that is, SAVE.
4. Sacrifice some of the things you want. You really don't need that 60" TV.
5. Take the extra money you have, after trimming your budget, and apply that to your lowest balance debt until it's paid off.
6. Take ALL the money you were applying to the first debt payment, add it to the second debt payment and pay it off. Keep growing the snowball until all your debt is paid.
7. STOP living beyond you means.
8. STOP borrowing.

There are plenty of free (or at least very low cost, less than $100 for the actual materials like a budget ledger, books, etc) programs out there. Use Google, go find them. If any tell you to borrow money or fork over large chunks of cash, run the other way.

The MMA is a fancy debt-snowballer that just costs you money. You can do this FREE. I will pay off ALL my debt faster by cutting out the excesses and snowballing my debt than I would with the MMA. The reason is that I am NOT borrowing an extra $3,500 + "principle buy down." I am not incurring more debt to pay off my debt.

A very wise financial planner I know once said something that just keep jumping out in my mind, "How does a person get out of debt by borrowing money?" Think about that. That's like trying to lose weight by eating more cake.

Another thing to consider, why does U1st use their own terms and try to make the whole process seem complicated? If they change the language so that people who are in the mortgage business don't understand, what are they trying to hide? Why won't they explain how their software performs this "interest canceling" magic.

And what's so great about spending $2.5 million to develop the software? Does that make it good? Look how much IBM spent on OS2. Was that good? Dollars spent does not equal value, usefulness, or value.

Before you gung-ho U1st Agents flame me, I have done the math over and over. I have gone through the analysis. I analyzed the analysis to death. I went through dozens of perturbations. The math always showed me the same things. The MMA is no better than a traditional debt snowball approach. And, I can pay off my debt faster on my own.

I talked to people who are very knowledgeable about finances and mortgages. Not a single one of them thought the MMA was a good idea. It's not because they didn't understand it, they did. It's because the MMA is NOT some new magic bullet. Plus, it incurs debt.

My advice to those who are considering using the MMA is to DO RESEARCH. Real research, talk to people who are knowledgeable about finances and mortgages, not just the ones involved with U1st. Folks, this is serious cash we are talking about - YOUR CASH. Oh, they make it seem painless because you never actually see the money you give away...but, you are giving it away. A big pile of it. If you had $3,500 in cash in your hand, would you be so inclined to give it away?
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Old 05-25-2007, 08:28 PM
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Welcome to the forum, exMMA.
Good inside, and advice. You don't need the third party to do it for you; you can do it on your own.
It's just a matter of discipline in spending and a little knowledge in financial planner to implement your goal.
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Old 05-25-2007, 08:40 PM
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Old 05-26-2007, 09:39 AM
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Then it seems you either do not fully understand the process or you have a much higher opinion of the average indebted citizen's intelligence.

Your disgruntledness is showing forth and I respect your opinion, but you are suggesting that ordinary brainwashed people can solve their own financial debts at a time in history where negative am mortgages and 50 year mortgages are being sold and bought by the very people you seem confident can figure this MMA program out for themselves.

Also, without the monetary sacrifice, (which is not out of pocket), most people will not take this step toward financial freedom seriously.

I wonder how long you have known of this countries downward spiral? I suggest some further course reading on this suijuris site, especially the older threads which retained some purity before suijuris was compromised.



Addition June 24, 2007: The previous link to channel 3 in Las Vegas highlighting the MMA program has been removed from their site. However G. Edward Griffin placed the video on his site www.freedomforceinternational.org. Here is the direct link: MMA news report
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:24 PM
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Update on Money Merge Account

An Update:

United First Financial just announced a new CEO Sr. VP who is an ex ING executive.

Also... one of the TOP 5 banks in the country is going to be announcing in August that they are endorsing this software program and co-branding an equity line for it. We do not have the Banks name yet.... but watch the news.

A side note: After reading exMMA's post I see why he is no longer an agent. Because he does not seem to know some of the basics of the program, I wonder if he really quit because he just could not explain it properly (that is not uncommon). This is a great product... but it is not like selling tennis balls... yellow or white. It is sophisticated and essentially an intangible item as you are selling them savings they cannot touch, see or feel. It takes someone who can get the clients head wrapped around what this program can mean for their future, and their families future.

Also... I too ran this program up against other alternatives... before I joined the company... and after. I have still not found anything that gets a better bottom line. I keep hearing folks like exMMA saying that they can do it themselves... but when I ask to see their results... nothing. If exMMA would like to PHONE me ... or even email me... (info is below)... his plan that beats this... I will be happy to come back on this forum and eat my hat. I will even send him a gift certificate for lunch at a restaurant near his home. If his own program REALLY spanks this... dinner.

exMMA's debt reduction plan is nice ... but not near as agressive as it would be with the Money Merge Account as it's driving force.

Let me address it line by line...

1. Make a realistic budget and stick to it
Excellent - United First Financial advises clients to to just that!

2. Cut up the credit cards.
Only if you are undisciplined. Otherwise floating your daily expenses on a credit card and paying it off in full with the equity line at month end before it accrues interest is a great strategy for floating more money and getting more performance out of the program. Banks call people who use credit cards interest free "deadbeats." We consider that a compliment. TIP for folks who do have a tendency to overspend though... keep your credit card with the highest credit limit with no balance on it... and freeze it in a mayonaise jar. Then it is accessible if you really need it... but you have time to think about it. For your everyday expenses card... get one with a credit limit just a little higher than your monthly budget.

3. Pay yourself, that is, SAVE.
Yes and no. A savings account is an antiquated financial tool that banks love because they pay you 1% and loan you back the money at 6-22%. Anyone that has debt and good credit should not have money stagnating in a savings account. YES... try to spend as little as possible... but take that money and use it to pay off debt. If you need a financial cushion, you have credit cards and equity lines for that. The only cavet... they get used ONLY in emergencies (except for 2 - within your budget).

4. Sacrifice some of the things you want. You really don't need that 60" TV.
Agree wholeheartedly. We live in a consumer culture of greed... buy now ...pay later. Living within your means is essential. Personally I would rather have more, cheaper toys, than less, more expensive ones anyway.

5. Take the extra money you have, after trimming your budget, and apply that to your lowest balance debt until it's paid off.
Why lowest balance? Would not the highest interest rate, or highest balance get the most bang for your buck? Also... with the Money Merge Account you will see that rolling debts into your equity line and paying them off with the program saves months and years off your overall debt. It just makes sense to pay off higher interest rate credit cards with a lower interest rate heloc.

6. Take ALL the money you were applying to the first debt payment, add it to the second debt payment and pay it off. Keep growing the snowball until all your debt is paid.
Bottom line... yes... pay off debt. But save interest by rolling into a lower interest vehicle first. Then... stop being a spending junkie.

7. STOP living beyond your means.
Absolutely... Amen.

8. STOP borrowing.
Yes... unless it is to get a lower interest vehicle. See 6.

Essentially the Money Merge Account is a get out of debt program. Also... exMMA might have left the company before the newest version of the software came out so he missed out on some of the great new features.

One is a True Cost feature... which tells you what your expenditures are costing you in relation to your debt load and income.

Talk about disipline! When folks see that $300 BBQ grill is really going to cost them $1600 ... you think they might think twice about it?

This is not about scrimping and saving... this is about spending your money (or not) with your EYES WIDE OPEN.

Version 3 of the software is out... Version 7 in the planning stages. Upgrades are free, use it on up to 5 primary residences with no additional costs.

This program is also about building wealth through homeownership. A simple, non-complex way for the average American homeowner to get ahead.

This program can take someone who has ZERO discretionary dollars left over at month end... and still knock (on average) 8-11 years off their 30 year mortgage. Does even better for folks who actually DO spend less than they make.

Hope this helps! But keep in mind... this program DOES have tons of credibility. In August it will be going mainstream.

Sue
407-697-8869
sue@u1stFinancial4u.com
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Old 07-07-2007, 09:39 PM
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I concur

Sue,

Thank you for the thorough endorsement and explanation of the MMA's brilliance and how it can help people to retain and build wealth.

I have been overwhelmed at the response I have had in communicating this strategy to others. How has your experience been?

This strategy is definitely inspired. I hope you have been as successful as I have.

Welcome to the Forum

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Old 07-08-2007, 06:07 AM
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Here is another option for retirement planning for you

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/rate/loan_home.asp

go to bankrate.com. they list companies that provide the same service and product as United does without your having to pay the United MLM up front fee of almost $4000 + the monthly service charge United will charge you for being in their program. Then take that money you would have paid United for and do something for yourself or your family like pay down your debt maybe

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/rate/loan_home.asp


Quote:
Originally Posted by RetirementPlanner
An Update:

United First Financial just announced a new CEO Sr. VP who is an ex ING executive.

Also... one of the TOP 5 banks in the country is going to be announcing in August that they are endorsing this software program and co-branding an equity line for it. We do not have the Banks name yet.... but watch the news.

A side note: After reading exMMA's post I see why he is no longer an agent. Because he does not seem to know some of the basics of the program, I wonder if he really quit because he just could not explain it properly (that is not uncommon). This is a great product... but it is not like selling tennis balls... yellow or white. It is sophisticated and essentially an intangible item as you are selling them savings they cannot touch, see or feel. It takes someone who can get the clients head wrapped around what this program can mean for their future, and their families future.

Also... I too ran this program up against other alternatives... before I joined the company... and after. I have still not found anything that gets a better bottom line. I keep hearing folks like exMMA saying that they can do it themselves... but when I ask to see their results... nothing. If exMMA would like to PHONE me ... or even email me... (info is below)... his plan that beats this... I will be happy to come back on this forum and eat my hat. I will even send him a gift certificate for lunch at a restaurant near his home. If his own program REALLY spanks this... dinner.

exMMA's debt reduction plan is nice ... but not near as agressive as it would be with the Money Merge Account as it's driving force.

Let me address it line by line...

1. Make a realistic budget and stick to it
Excellent - United First Financial advises clients to to just that!

2. Cut up the credit cards.
Only if you are undisciplined. Otherwise floating your daily expenses on a credit card and paying it off in full with the equity line at month end before it accrues interest is a great strategy for floating more money and getting more performance out of the program. Banks call people who use credit cards interest free "deadbeats." We consider that a compliment. TIP for folks who do have a tendency to overspend though... keep your credit card with the highest credit limit with no balance on it... and freeze it in a mayonaise jar. Then it is accessible if you really need it... but you have time to think about it. For your everyday expenses card... get one with a credit limit just a little higher than your monthly budget.

3. Pay yourself, that is, SAVE.
Yes and no. A savings account is an antiquated financial tool that banks love because they pay you 1% and loan you back the money at 6-22%. Anyone that has debt and good credit should not have money stagnating in a savings account. YES... try to spend as little as possible... but take that money and use it to pay off debt. If you need a financial cushion, you have credit cards and equity lines for that. The only cavet... they get used ONLY in emergencies (except for 2 - within your budget).

4. Sacrifice some of the things you want. You really don't need that 60" TV.
Agree wholeheartedly. We live in a consumer culture of greed... buy now ...pay later. Living within your means is essential. Personally I would rather have more, cheaper toys, than less, more expensive ones anyway.

5. Take the extra money you have, after trimming your budget, and apply that to your lowest balance debt until it's paid off.
Why lowest balance? Would not the highest interest rate, or highest balance get the most bang for your buck? Also... with the Money Merge Account you will see that rolling debts into your equity line and paying them off with the program saves months and years off your overall debt. It just makes sense to pay off higher interest rate credit cards with a lower interest rate heloc.

6. Take ALL the money you were applying to the first debt payment, add it to the second debt payment and pay it off. Keep growing the snowball until all your debt is paid.
Bottom line... yes... pay off debt. But save interest by rolling into a lower interest vehicle first. Then... stop being a spending junkie.

7. STOP living beyond your means.
Absolutely... Amen.

8. STOP borrowing.
Yes... unless it is to get a lower interest vehicle. See 6.

Essentially the Money Merge Account is a get out of debt program. Also... exMMA might have left the company before the newest version of the software came out so he missed out on some of the great new features.

One is a True Cost feature... which tells you what your expenditures are costing you in relation to your debt load and income.

Talk about disipline! When folks see that $300 BBQ grill is really going to cost them $1600 ... you think they might think twice about it?

This is not about scrimping and saving... this is about spending your money (or not) with your EYES WIDE OPEN.

Version 3 of the software is out... Version 7 in the planning stages. Upgrades are free, use it on up to 5 primary residences with no additional costs.

This program is also about building wealth through homeownership. A simple, non-complex way for the average American homeowner to get ahead.

This program can take someone who has ZERO discretionary dollars left over at month end... and still knock (on average) 8-11 years off their 30 year mortgage. Does even better for folks who actually DO spend less than they make.

Hope this helps! But keep in mind... this program DOES have tons of credibility. In August it will be going mainstream.

Sue
407-697-8869
sue@u1stFinancial4u.com
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Old 07-08-2007, 08:21 AM
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Thanks for the info, cigs645.
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Old 07-08-2007, 10:32 AM
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Here is another option for retirement planning for you

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/rate/loan_home.asp

go to bankrate.com. they list companies that provide the same service and product as United does without your having to pay the United MLM up front fee of almost $4000 + the monthly service charge United will charge you for being in their program. Then take that money you would have paid United for and do something for yourself or your family like pay down your debt maybe

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/rate/loan_home.asp

This site sells Money Market Accounts and United First Financial sells Money Merge Accounts. Two different things.
This company may have a good plan but it is not as accelerated and as disciplined as UFF. Plus it does not have the software and support. Nice try though.
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Old 07-09-2007, 06:46 PM
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The MMA program has been featured and endorsed in the "Broker Banker" publication. This is the first time this publication has endorsed a financial product! This is for real folks, no excuses now if you have a mortgage. Get it and get out of debt!

http://www.brokerbanker-digital.com/...r/2007_vol108/
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