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03-10-2007, 12:46 PM
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03-10-2007, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Codee
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He discloses that in private emails only
he can be reached through pacinlaw.org if you would like to speak via phone
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03-21-2007, 03:54 PM
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An Excerpt
8.3 THE LAW OF PERSONS
The issue of ‘persons’ is deeply rooted in the Roman law. This law was the way that the Roman Empire setup to manage its people. But more importantly, the Law of Persons is how the state is established and how the government or the municipality it is to interact with people.
The above noted factor is a key issue in understanding who ‘It’ is and who You are. This is of paramount importance so that proper interaction with ‘It’ may be properly maintained by You. In view of such facts—as noted throughout this paper—the common law system of the American republics stands apart from the current Roman law system that is in place. The rules that apply to the Law of Persons are no doubt in place, but have extended into the realm of private law.
8.3.1 Sohm’s – The Law of Persons
Because the system of law for the American republics is grounded in the Roman law system, it is obligatory that we cover this issue. To best illustrate this facet of law we have to examine the roots of it. There have been many studies on the Roman Civil law. One of those studies was put together by a law professor by the name of Rudolph Sohm.[1] In part, below is taken in verbatim from his treatise on the Roman law which included the work of: The Law of Persons. . .
The Law of Persons
To be a “person”, within the meaning of private law, means to be capable of holding property, of having claims and liabilities. A person, then, in the sense of private law, is a subject endowed with proprietary capacity.
We distinguish, in the sense of private law, two kinds of persons:
1.Natural person: a human being with proprietary capacity.
2.Juristic person: a subject with proprietary capacity (e.g. the state, a municipality).
All rights ultimately center in human beings.[2] But it is sometimes desired—for definite purposes—e.g. for the purposes of the state or a community—to withdraw certain property from the arbitrary disposition of individuals. It is therefore assumed to vest in an invisible subject; in other words, in a ‘juristic’ of ‘moral’ person.
Of juristic persons, again, we have two kinds:
(1) Corporations, i.e. aggregates of persons which are endowed with proprietary capacity (e.g. the state, a municipality, a university).
(2) Foundations, i.e. institutions with proprietary capacity, e.g. a hospital to which proprietary capacity, e.g. a hospital granted proprietary capacity).
The conception of a ‘juristic person’ was unknown to the earlier Roman law. The jus privatum was throughout a law for the individual only, and hence—as far as the old private law of Rome was concerned—there could be no subject of rights and duties other than a natural person, i.e. an individual.
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03-22-2007, 09:12 PM
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Greetings from the Coalition:
Earlier this week I, LB Bork, sent out an e-communication in regard to what I believe to other people in “The Movement” are doing that is in the realm of being in disservice. The response on this action by me has been mixed. Although most people appreciate what had been directed at Larry Becraft, the mention of others is what has people a bit irritated with me. Larry actually wrote me with a final word on what he has a strong dislike for: Patriot Profiteers. I must say that I have the exact same sentiments. In expanse of this unity, I have also been accused of being an attorney. I am not an “attorney at law”. I am a jurist (or lawyer). Having said that, I believe Mr. Becraft is honest in what he does; however he is stuck in the “Fourteenth Amendment Box.” In most respects I have more respect for Larry Becraft then some of the “personalities” who are encompassed in this e letter.
In regard to this matter, I will try to explain why I had mentioned “others” out there:
I have been studying law for about fourteen years. I had a mentor by the name of Karl Granse. This man gave me a good foundation of which to base my studies on. Aside this factor, Karl had several excellent law groups established around the Union of which I had studied with. We studied law and did our own research. Marc Stevens (Adventures in Legal Land) was also part of the law group. We assisted people with problems, mostly tax issues. Other issues addressed were “Right to Travel”. The law is our remedy. The true enemy we face distorts this with disinformation and other methods of mind control.
The law groups that Karl had established fell apart after the Oklahoma City Bombing. This event was no doubt an action to cause a reaction. The reaction of the action was to destroy the momentum that was forming in regard to the “Truth Movement”. Since then there have been many fractured groups that have formed; many expressing this and that about remedies, most of what I understand and know to be worthless.
Before the law group in mention met its final demise, on one occasion while working with an attorney, I had the opportunity to attend a meeting with Jeff ****stein, who occasionally collaborates on tax cases with Larry Becraft. Something Mr. ****stein said gave me very deep insight into the situation we Americans face. Basically, a federal judge assigned to a case Mr. ****stein was working on took Mr. ****stein into his chambers for a meeting. The judge said that all Mr. ****stein’s legal positions and arguments—constitutional and otherwise—were correct. The truth, however, was that it was a political matter and the judge could not take such arguments under advisement.
This is the point in my studies where I knew that everything that anyone was doing in regard to a “constitutional” legal remedy under the current system was fruitless. Simply put, the problems that people are faced with are political, not legal.
I went into seclusion for three years to study the problem. The final outcome was People’s Awareness Coalition (PAC) and the book entitled The Red Amendment. If you have noted, PAC is centered on Constitutional Education and Political Awareness. Most people fail to understand that the 14th Amendment installed a new political system. The Red Amendment goes over these issues in detail and provides the information for the remedy.
The fundamental principle of my work is: The best Defense is a good Offense.
This takes me to the point of why I went-off on certain people this week. While working with our law group I had seen people get taken by “Patriots for Profit”. I note this is still going on today. Every time that someone discovered some new aspect of a law procedure there was someone there to take the information and make BIG MONEY off it. I have seen many of these type profit schemes altered slightly and renamed and sold again a few years later. These type people are no better then the “attorneys at law” that are out there waiting to assist people after they get gored by the system.
Yes, I could have went done the path of being a vulture and make big money off assisting people after they were wounded by the system; but I chose to find out what the problem was and assist people to stay out of trouble. Of course, most people that are bilking money out of people do not like this concept as it does not provide them a continuous cash flow. In this regard, yes I am saying that anyone that is out there doing seminars, selling legal material, assisting people with inflicted problems are vultures that are profiting off the misery of people. As stated, they are no better than “attorneys at law”, but yet they are looked at as saviors. I guess I do not understand. Ultimately, it is the fault of people for the problem that we are in. It is unfortunate that people wait until that they have a problem until they are ready to take action. This allows them to get taken by these profiteers.
As I had mentioned, I know that the people that I had mentioned are not supporting me, nor are they advocating what I am teaching. I know this to be a fact as I have had several reports of their activities. There are others that sell or push everything under the sun that comes along. The outcome of these activities is allowing the perverted governmental system perpetuate itself as they are letting them get away with the dual mindedness of the system. Figuratively, this will let this insurgent system exist for another 135 years.
In summary: I have two general categories for these types: 1) They do not want to seek a true remedy for people and are just interested in money; 2) They are operatives of our hidden enemy (and are still taking money from concerned people).
Sorry, at this point I maintain there is no gray area in this matter. The People’s Awareness Coalition website has been on the web for over 7 years and I have witnessed direct evidence that many have tried to suppress it. Most of these people who have suppressed it have done extensive marketing programs and incorporated my research with other “crap” and have gotten people in trouble. Shame on you criminals: God knows who you are. Furthermore, there are multitudes of people that go off and do there own thing, but NO ONE has contacted me to assist the Coalition. Why? Aside people wanting to be somewhat independent, most of who I speak are interested only in profit. The "every man is an island" principle will sadly fail: unfortunately you are seeing this happen in spades. I do not have to name the numerous people that have been attacked the past couple of years.
Yes, there may be some people who do not “get it” or do not want to “get it” because they want their cake and eat it too or are too lazy to study and are looking for some “Silver Bullet” answer to their problems. These types will keep on being attacked.
If you fail to understand that the best defense is a good offense you will keep on getting bilked by the profiteers and their continuous string of seminars and products. It is time to separate the wheat from the chaff, people. If we do not, things will get worse. It is up to you to join together and create de jure political groups under State Nationals. The people who are not state nationals are enemies of the Republic. The people who are the profiteers who do not seek the de jure political remedy are truly the enemy. Is this just my opinion? You are advised to acquire a copy of The Red Amendment and you be the judge.
Finally, if you think there is a political solution in this insurgent system, you are in extreme delusion. Vote for whomever and continue to be oppressed.
I apologize if I offended some people. I just want to see the Union healed. And, I am sorry if you fail to understand what has been presented here.
Best regards, LB Bork
Multi multa, non omnia novit = Many men know many things, no one knows everything.
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03-25-2007, 04:56 PM
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Greetings from the Coalition:
This week on the Ultimate Remedy, Robert Loman from the Rochester Law group will be on for the two hours of the show. Robert specializes in pro se litigation and has over ten years experience in this facet of law. LB has known and worked with Robert Loman for the past six years. Robert is also one of the first State Nationals of New York.
Visit the Rochester Law site at: http://www.rochesterlaw.org
Disclaimer: Note that PAC does not necessarily endorse everything on the website. The Coalition maintains that there is two systems of law under the 14th Amendment. Most people choose not to correct their status and such people are walking the fence which keeps them in constant dealings with the de facto governmental system.
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03-25-2007, 06:17 PM
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Thanks for the link and info.
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