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Old 04-15-2007, 03:37 AM
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Using FDRS.org for Credit Card Debt Relief

A couple of weeks ago I stumbled upon a website, Federal Debt Relief System, which has a decent amount of information regarding the money system. They have information on banking history, money creation and unsecured debt.

Having a decent amount of credit card debt, I decided to apply for their services for relieving unsecured credit card debt. Last Thursday I was called by a representative from the company and he told me how the process works and we also discussed the money and banking systems in depth.

Our Discussion on the Nature of Unsecured Debt

We talked about how credit card companies operate to defraud their customers into thinking that they are loaning them their money, when in fact they are simply creating a promissory note and a demand deposit account in the name of the customer.

There is simply no way that the company can prove that the money paid to me was drawn from their accounts. Thus, we concluded, is one of many reasons why no debt is owed to the credit card company.

Another point that we discussed was the fact that the "card member agreement" is non-binding since it is "subject to change." This means that there is no contractual obligation for the card holder to follow the terms outlined in the agreement, so it is null and void.

All of the above being the case, the credit card companies are committing mail fraud every time they send you a statement saying that you owe them money or late fees, since they never lent you anything to begin with.

Our discussion and the research that I had done into the matter over the past few years lead me to believe that I should stop making payments to my unsecured credit cards and should begin the 18 month conflict resolution process.

The Conflict Resolution Process

From the point that I agreed to take on their services, I am not to pay any credit card bills and the credit card companies and/or debt collectors are not allowed to call me during the 18 month conflict resolution period as defined by law.

One of the attorneys out of their network is going to send a request for information to each of my creditors via registered mail, in order to establish a paper trail. I am told that these notices are typically responded to with a "no response" response.

I was also informed that it doesn't take long for the credit card company to sell the "debt" to a "debt collection service," which may sue in order to attempt collection of the "debt." These "debt collection services" generally do not operate within the confines of the law and are easily defeated and they are often forced into settling out of court with no payment whatsoever.

It is my understanding that, during the dispute resolution process, the Fair Credit Reporting Act protects me from blemishes on my credit report, though this may occur anyway. Once the matter is resolved between the "debt" collectors and my self, the credit report is to be expunged even if it means suing the credit reporting companies themselves.

Conclusions

Having studied law, the banking system and conspiracy in general for several years, I feel this is an opportunity for me to get some hands on experience fighting the system. I realize that there is an element of risk involved and that I may end up with bad credit if the FDRS service and/or myself make missteps along the way.

I feel that these risks are warranted, given the criminal nature of the banking system, and I actually feel that it is my responsability to take my legal rights into my own hands.

If any of you have worked with FDRS.org, I would be interested in hearing your comments on this matter. I will be posting the progress of this situation as it unfolds. The process has only begun, so I expect that it will be a month or two before things start happening.
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:53 AM
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Old 04-15-2007, 08:34 AM
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Dear My, Best of luck in your current endevour! This will be an uphill battle(I didn't say un-winnable though). There is a looong history(100 years plus) of debt attorneys successfully suing "debtors" and prevailing in the courts nationwide. So they have allot of case precedent to back them up. and the judges are very conditioned to play right along. I hope these guys have some provable tactics that will work because behind these debt attorneys is the entire banking industry and they have a reach that is beyond belief! With the vast majority of political types in the banks rear pockets! This is not to say I side with the credit card scumbags. I just want you to be aware of the battle that will arrive at your mailbox and local district court shortly. Credit card 'fees' for the year 1996 were $1.7 Billion dollars. In 2006 the 'fee' amounts had grown to just under $18 Billion dollars. Thats over a 1000% increase in profits in a 10 year period. Those banks ain't gonna turn and walk away from $$$$ like that quietly.....
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Old 04-15-2007, 09:19 AM
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Dear My, Best of luck in your current endevour! This will be an uphill battle(I didn't say un-winnable though). There is a looong history(100 years plus) of debt attorneys successfully suing "debtors" and prevailing in the courts nationwide. So they have allot of case precedent to back them up. and the judges are very conditioned to play right along. I hope these guys have some provable tactics that will work because behind these debt attorneys is the entire banking industry and they have a reach that is beyond belief! With the vast majority of political types in the banks rear pockets! This is not to say I side with the credit card scumbags. I just want you to be aware of the battle that will arrive at your mailbox and local district court shortly. Credit card 'fees' for the year 1996 were $1.7 Billion dollars. In 2006 the 'fee' amounts had grown to just under $18 Billion dollars. Thats over a 1000% increase in profits in a 10 year period. Those banks ain't gonna turn and walk away from $$$$ like that quietly.....

Thanks for your responses and the welcome.

According to the guy at FDRS, they have had good success in defeating the "debt" lawyers, they claim that they have not had any losses to date and they challenged me to find someone on the internet that has a complaint about their company. I have not been able to find anyone so far though I will continue to look for dirt on them, research the process and research the laws protecting me as a creditor. I will not be able to sleep soundly at night until I am certain that: the wind is at my back, these guys are telling me the truth and I can win this battle without losing any fingers.

The organization claims to be affiliated with a network of over 160 attorneys, paralegals and CPA's who have developed systems in order to combat nearly every creditor response.

Once the period of Dispute Resolution begins, the Fair Credit Billing Act protects me from collection activity and finance charges on the disputed amount. I would imagine that this will assure that, even if I lose, I will be right where I am at the current date in terms of principle and interest, though my interest rates will probably be raised. I will be prepared, should I lose this battle, to discharge any supposed "debt" by the time the dispute resolution period ends.

If any of you are interested in researching this organization for your own use, please PM me and I can get you a direct line to the individual I talked with. Alternatively, you can apply on their website. You need to have at least $10,000 worth of unsecured "debt."
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Old 04-15-2007, 03:35 PM
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I would beware of anyone involved in a "network of Attorneys"
I noticed that part of the Judges Pension Fund in my state is invested in Bank Of America. LIttle bit of a conflict of interest if the ladyboy on the bench has the State Pension.
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Old 04-15-2007, 04:25 PM
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Points of caution well taken. I took it upon myself to place some questions on their forum. Here is what I asked:

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I recently signed up for the services of FDRS. I have been researching debt for the last couple of years and my conversation with the FDRS representative gave me the confidence to start the process and see where it leads.

I decided to search around to see how other people fared with the various FDRS processes, but I was unable to find any feedback on the internet. Are there any cases that I can review or off-site testimonials that I can review of others so that I can understand how the process went for other people.

I have been warned by other individuals, who have dealt with debt relief programs, that some of these entities will collect fees for services but will be unable to protect you when a lawsuit comes in, leaving the individual potentially liable for damages and broke from paying the fees.

I am not saying that this organization is like the others, but I would like more information regarding the organization, the process and what guarantees can be made for my legal protection from your "network of attorneys."

I need to know how far I am going to be protected into the process and at what point I would be forced to obtain my own legal council.

If these matters can be clarified sufficiently, it would ease mine and other current and potential customers' anxieties, providing more assurances that this process works.

I look foreword to your answers.

I plan on calling them Monday afternoon with any questions that I can think of. Does anyone have any suggestions other than the ones that I have already brought up?

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Old 04-15-2007, 09:21 PM
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Take it from someone that has been down that road before you and has wasted at least $5000 with service providers, RUN AWAY! If you are determined to try to eliminate "your credit card debt" learn how to do it yourself for free because if this company is like all the others they are a rip-off and it will end with you out their fee on top of the original amount the credit card company claims you owe them plus court costs and interest.

Have you thought of just filing for bankruptcy if you are in over your head in debt?



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Points of caution well taken. I took it upon myself to place some questions on their forum. Here is what I asked:



I plan on calling them Monday afternoon with any questions that I can think of. Does anyone have any suggestions other than the ones that I have already brought up?
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Old 04-15-2007, 10:09 PM
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Take it from someone that has been down that road before you and has wasted at least $5000 with service providers, RUN AWAY! If you are determined to try to eliminate "your credit card debt" learn how to do it yourself for free because if this company is like all the others they are a rip-off and it will end with you out their fee on top of the original amount the credit card company claims you owe them plus court costs and interest.

Have you thought of just filing for bankruptcy if you are in over your head in debt?
RIGHT ON ROTTWEILER! Sounds like a plan.
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Old 04-15-2007, 10:35 PM
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Take it from someone that has been down that road before you and has wasted at least $5000 with service providers, RUN AWAY! If you are determined to try to eliminate "your credit card debt" learn how to do it yourself for free because if this company is like all the others they are a rip-off and it will end with you out their fee on top of the original amount the credit card company claims you owe them plus court costs and interest.

Have you thought of just filing for bankruptcy if you are in over your head in debt?

I think you guys are right. I should have had a more sober approach about the matter from the beginning. I just got too caught up in the novelty of the whole thing, thinking I was going to master the situation so easily.

I'm going to cancel the whole thing first thing Monday morning and begin researching the process for myself.

It seems like the most fool proof way of getting out of "debt" is to simply pay it off. I am capable of paying it off within the next year, so I think that is what I will do.

The peace of mind of having the balance gone and staying out of court is far greater than the problems that would arise by taking this approach.

Thanks for all of the responses guys, you have been very helpful and the information on this community has been very helpful as well.
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