Ministry Closing

[iamfreeru2]

Jerseee,

I do not know if I would call VJ a scammer, as I have been to one of her workshops. I would call her a "Paytriot" though. I believe she is doing it for the "money." At the prices she charges you would think she would give you instructions on using some of the letters and things she speaks of, but such is not the case. She charges extra for things like Letter Rogatories on disc, but you still have to figure out how to modify them for your use. She has some good stuff once you figure it out.

SJ,

I Believe she fully intended to quit and pull everything down. However, I think $$ was a big motivator for her to continue with her "Ministry." I use the term "Ministry" loosely of cource.

[Jerseee]

Iamfree,

Well stated. I will retract from calling VJ a scammer. But I reserve the right to do so if the road leads scamville in the future.

All, I would like to retract my statement of calling this a scam. M apologies VJ if you read this.

[suijuris]

From: "Mother Victoria"
Date: Wed, Feb-16-2005 10:35 PM
Subject: remove my materials from your site,please
This is Victoria-Joy. someone told me you had my materials on your site, particularly my negative averments. letters rogatory, Bills of Exchange etc. Since much of this is outdated, and I don't know who your are who may be inducing others to use the information, and I haven't seen a contract or other authorization for you to use my materials, I am requesting that you take the materials off your site. thank you for being honorable.

Hello there,
I have to say that I do not know who you are either, kindly identify yourself.

Also, please provide me with the link to your copyrighted material so I can investigate. Most of the content on suijuris.net have been submitted by the members and unless you know where the material in question is located, I am at a loss as to where to begin.

Sui Juris, Site Admin

From: Mother Victoria
Date: Wed, Feb-16-2005 8:12 PM
Sorry. I thought I did say I was Victoria-Joy, the creator of the
Honor/Dishonor Workshops, and the writer of the specific letters
rogatory, negative averments, notary protest papers on your
website.
If your members submitted them, they did so without my permission.
Who are you? do we know each other? there are several people who have stolen my materials, and I'd like to know who operates your site.
If you don't identify yourself, I will have to presume there is a
reason you don't want me to know who your are.
victoria-Joy

Victoria-Joy,
We do not know each other, and as I run a non-commercial site I wish to keep my identity private and expect all to respect that wish.

That being said, what materials are you referring to? If you cannot point me to the exact location then further discussion is a mute point and it will only be fair to assume that your information is incorrect or you have confused my site with another site.

I recall seeing an announcement by somebody with the same name (Victoria-Joy) announcing that your ministry was closing months ago, is this true?

Sui Juris, Site Admin

From: Mother Victoria
Date: Mon, Feb-21-2005 6:01 PM
My ministry was closed temporarily. I guess the Father had different
plans, as he allowed me just enought time to write 14 books and begin 2
others. It is quite unsafe to speak with someone who is so private he
doesn't know how to operate in the private, so as soon as I return from
Florida I will identify the materials belonging to me under copyright
and let you know. It is interesting that my students recognize my work
and let me know when they see it. I was hoping someone from my
attendee group might have given it to you so that you could at least
say you put it on there innocently. Perhaps you should get to a
workshop to learn that you do not have to hide your identity to move
around in the non-commercial world. It sounds sleazy even if you don't
mean it to.

QUESTIONS:

I am confused, what about me is so sleazy? The fact that I run a non-commercial site without any type of financial compensation whatsoever and wish to keep my identity private from solicitors?

You claim divine guidance in your for-profit ministry, yet cast judgment on me for exercising my right to privacy?

How do you know I have not been instructed by my father to keep my identity private?

And lastly, what have I done to offend you?

FACTS:

You are the one who solicited both this conversation and your wares.

You are the one who alleged that your copyrighted materials exist on my site, but have been unable to identify them.

I indicated in my first response that I would cooperate with you if you would identify your copyrighted materials, but you have sent me two emails without providing requested information and seem more concerned with obtaining my identity.

I have never been to one of your workshops so if anything you have written is on my site, it was provided by one of your attendees.

Sui Juris, Site Admin

[suijuris]

Now, if anybody knows where these files are, please let me know.

I would be more than happy to remove anything associated with this person's "ministry" from this site, if in fact such files do exist herein.

[KaosTheory]

From what I've heard about VJ, she is all about keeping in "honor". I don't see how you have dishonored her at all, if that is really her in the first place.

I agree with you. Let her find the materials, if they exist, so you can remove them. Also, let her produce her copyright.

I thought her accusation of "sleaziness" was uncalled for, assuming that it was actually her. Usually, these kinds of comments are meant more for manipulation than criticism.

KT

[suijuris]

My thoughts exactly KT.

Here is my problem with this email.

First the blanket accusation without firsthand knowledge.

Wouldn't a question have been more of a polite approach?


But then I am getting older by the day, and I have less time to put up with fecal flingers.

Here's my second problem with the email:

"My materials"

John 3:27"John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven."

If she were truly a minister, (which, to be biblically ordained would be impossible in light of I Timothy 2:11-14, and I Corinthians 14:34) She would show gratitude to God for giving her the materials.

I'd like to see her stay in honor and explain what in the bible authorizes her "ministry."

Oh yeah,

I don't know you.... ROFL!!!!!


Victoria-Joy,

We are gonna need you to post a Picture ID soze we can tell it's really you...

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by HenryBowman

We are gonna need you to post a Picture ID soze we can tell it's really you...

a PDF of the original Brth Certificate 'll do to see if Victoria Joy is really her name. No embosser necessary.

[Jerseee]

Iamfree,

its not looking good. This is not to infer that SJ is making this up but if it is her e-mails, I'd have to say that I am siding with HB on this one. She should do this because she wants to even though anyone has a right to make a living how they see fit. For someone who deals in honor and dishonor, she sure is making bold assumptions without proving anything. Its hard to remove something when you don't know what it is to remove. Also, it appears that she doesn't like her attendees sharing any information to help another soul out. I'd have to say its not looking good.

Nevertheless, I will stick to my retraction of calling her a scammer, but I think I can call her judgemental (according to SJ's posts) and with that, who is she to judge if someone is sleazy or not? Not respecting someone's wishes to remain in private? where's the honor in that?

[Livefire]

Jerseee,

On occasion the Father uses the mouth (or the pen) of a jacka$$ to get a point across. Most times today it's the 2 legged variety! Interestingly enough, that kind of messenger was used to get a point across to an errant prophet more interested in reaping the rewards of this world than blessing God's chosen people. The Bible has a footnote concerning Balaam.....he was killed during Israel's conquest of the promised land.

I strive to examine the message based on its own merits while leaving the messenger out of the equation. I will nonetheless say this, it's kinda tough at times to do this.....just like trying to eat a big, fat juicy porterhouse steak and baked potato dinner served up to you on a garbage can lid instead of a plate!