Ticket Slayer

[macerico]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

I strongly advise against this tactic. Signing the ticket is your promise to show up in traffic court on the specified date (there may also be an alternative about pleading guilty and paying a fine, possibly by mail, on or before that date). The alternative is that the cop takes you in right now for your day in court. Essentially, the ticket serves as your non-monetary bail until your court date.

The law intends that one way or another you will show up in traffic court, and the arrest that would follow a refusal to sign is not legally regarded as coercion or duress. Writing something cute on the ticket will not excuse you going AWOL on the court date. You run a very real risk of losing the traffic case by default ... and the judge tacking on some extra penalty, such as immediate suspension of your license or a bench warrant, for your non-appearance.

Oh, I'm not saying to do it to evade going to court.

Even as a sovereign, you must appear to challenge the jurisdiction of the court, correct?

The idea is to ensure your autograph CANNOT be used to infer your guilt or willing formation of any contract that makes you subject to the court's jurisdiction.

[Shoonra]

I cannot imagine a modern case in which the jurisdiction of traffic court could be successfully challenged (except maybe geographically - that the driving offense took place in one county or district and somehow you're having to go to the traffic court in another county for it).

Anyway, adding something to your signature does not affect, or perhaps I should say, does not improve your legal rights. An addition to your signature might be regarded as a refusal to provide a proper signature.

[Livefire]

*ahem*

I did and I won.....Irregardless of the process I used....I had entered a public record into evidence of a pecuniary interest and gave the judge notice of Tumey v Ohio. stopped them cold it did! Snatched jurisdiction outta the robe's hand.

[charlesa6]

Originally Posted by Livefire

*ahem*

I did and I won.....Irregardless of the process I used....I had entered a public record into evidence of a pecuniary interest and gave the judge notice of Tumey v Ohio. stopped them cold it did! Snatched jurisdiction outta the robe's hand.

Goodies!! I loving it!

[idknow]

Originally Posted by Livefire

*ahem*

I did and I won.....Irregardless of the process I used....I had entered a public record into evidence of a pecuniary interest and gave the judge notice of Tumey v Ohio. stopped them cold it did! Snatched jurisdiction outta the robe's hand.

excellent!

there's a district justice (in local city near me) that I'd like to see debenched, defrocked and degraced.

4 years ago, driving a commercial vehicle, with a class "d" license, I was cited for driving with invalid license... looking at a 1000.00 frn fine or 1 year in the pokey.... asked the officer if I had to sign it,, he said "if you don't, then I can take you straight to jail.".. I said Oh.. Ok... signed it and under my name simply wrote, "under duress"... it was comical,, as he did not even know what that meant, and I had to explain it to him..

30 days later, I show up at the court hearing, enter a guilty plea, and the judge dismissed it. I think I posted a copy of it some time in the past on this forum... was really neat.

Jerry.

[Jerseee]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

I cannot imagine a modern case in which the jurisdiction of traffic court could be successfully challenged (except maybe geographically - that the driving offense took place in one county or district and somehow you're having to go to the traffic court in another county for it).

Anyway, adding something to your signature does not affect, or perhaps I should say, does not improve your legal rights. An addition to your signature might be regarded as a refusal to provide a proper signature.

What's a proper signature?

What's a legal right?

Did you mean lawful right?

natural right?

[xMakox]

First time poster, been lurkering for a few months.

Tickerslayer is the work of Clyde Hyde that pasted away late last year. I do not know Greg personally but have heard about him using Clyde's docs for the traffic default out on Clyde's forum...I have talked to quite a few people that have used Clyde's work in Traffic Court and won. I believe Clyde said he was getting 90% victory rate at the Traffic Court level in Washington state. I have not personally used his work in Traffic Court but I see the logic behind it. However, Clyde has said many times, you must find your remedy... if you let them push you around they win, you lose. If you are looking for a process that will work everytime in this world, I would like to see it... you must know what you are doing and be willing to try and make people do their jobs. 90% or 95% victory rate doesn't mean crap if you don't understand what you are doing in the process.

Basically, Clyde puts them in a box, if the judge let's them out of the box than he/she is not perform their administrative duties.

I would say it works for the most part, don't expect the Judge to tell you how or why.... they wouldn't have a job. Just my take. Clyde may or may not have been right about everything, but he was no fraud.

[charlesa6]

xMakox, welcome to the forum!

[xMakox]

charlesa6, thank you for the warm welcome