
02-19-2008, 06:56 AM
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It's a shame that this forum is full of ... people who want to focus on getting free stuff.
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If I get something for free it was mine to get. Why should I pay to enjoy my own property? That is is the definition of usury.
The Bible teaches to focus on getting a very important free stuff- grace.
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02-19-2008, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham
If I get something for free it was mine to get. Why should I pay to enjoy my own property? That is is the definition of usury.
The Bible teaches to focus on getting a very important free stuff- grace.
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However, when you have people on a forum that are only concerned about "discharging" debt and getting a free car or house, rather than protecting theirs, and future generations rights pursuant to a lawful status premise, you are left with a board full of opportunists who want to have their cake and eat it too
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When you have the "geniuses" who haven't even read the Red Amendment, but want to pump up their ego and think they can do it all on their own, you are left with a bunch of know it alls running in different directions, thus dispersing any focused and consolidated attempt at getting the governements to recognize an identifiable group of people as ones having the lawful nationality
Back to the post which sparked this:
Michael Badnarik, former Libertarian presidential candidate in the 2004 election, and one who has deep knowledge of the Consitutions, is not only endorsing The Red Amendment, but wants to start teaching out of this book on a mass scale
If LB is some loon spouting off a bunch of smack, it is doubtful that Badnarik would be illuninated by LB's work
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02-23-2008, 08:39 AM
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LB will be guesting on the Michael Badnarik's show
2/25
http://www.wtprn.com/schedule.html
Amazing how it doesn't compute with some of you folks at how significant it is that Badnarik totally sees where LB is coming from in The Red Amendment, and how he wants to start teching some that stuff in his classes.
The word "coma" seems to come up alot in my head
Keep arguing with debt-torneys about your credit card folks instead of learning about your rights
Keep making up your own checks and try to get a free car instead learning how your true state nationality has been stolen from you
Keep on arguing about Title 26 while you still possess a Social Security Number and still accept government benefits (or will take them up on it at a future point)
If you are not for correcting your nationality to a lawful one, you are perpetuating rebellion and deserve all of the punishments that come with it for not doing anything or for focusing on how you can duck out of debts
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04-07-2008, 08:45 PM
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Thanks Weis
Weis,
What an awesome book, thanks for the recommendation!
-Sapiens
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04-16-2008, 08:40 PM
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From the desk of LB Bork
Greetings, this is LB Bork. About ten years I started People’s Awareness Coalition.
The first act of the Coalition was to warn people of their true purpose. This was encompassed in an article that was short and simple. The subject matter was to inform people that they have been turned into human resources. This use is nothing more than any other resource that can be found on earth and used for profit and gain by some individual (or individuals).
Before that time I was involved with people that centered on the income tax issue. This was not really an interest of mine as I understood that there were much deeper issues concerned. I started more advanced research and soon got away from the income tax issue.
As you know, today is April 15th. This is the day everyone must have filed his or her taxes. As we have seen there have been many that have attempted to thwart the system the past several years. Most people fail, and some slip by. The only reason some slip by is due to some act of luck. The thing is the society that these people live in are under the new form of law that I have been telling people about for awhile now:
LAW. 1. The regime that orders human activities and relations through systematic application of the force of politically organized society, or through social pressure, backed by force, in such a society; the legal system {respect and obey the law}.
—Black’s Law Dictionary, 8th Edition
Right: Nice Officers EnFORCING the New Law
The above definition of "law" is conditioning the legal industry to the new law.
To illustrate how this new system of law works, around the year 2000 I had written an article called Income Tax! Do you Volunteer? In the article I cover the issues outlined in the new definition of law found in Black’s Law Dictionary. For most, they failed to listen to what was in the article and many are still floundering in their understanding of the income tax system. Among the frivolous positions, I am still hearing that the income tax is voluntary.
The general premise of the income tax article went over the principles of the new governmental system in place that was installed by the Fourteenth Amendment. This is referred to as a de facto government:
de facto government. A new government which exercises undisputed sway over the entire country, the former established government having been nullified by successful rebellion or having lost the support of the people. A de facto government arises where the established government has been subverted by rebellion, so that the new government exercises undisputed sway for the time being over the entire country, or where the people of any portion of a country subject to the same government throw off their allegiance to that government and establish one of their own, and show not only that they have established a government, but also their ability to maintain it. —Am J Rev ed Internat L § 12 (International Law)
In essence this is how people are being taxed: by the force of the other people that are part of the new body politic formed under the Fourteenth Amendment. The people supporting the insurgents who installed this new system is why the income tax exists in the first place. People that are taking benefits of this new system are maintaining it.
There are four simple rules here:
Section 1 of the 14th Amendment makes everyone a United States citizen at birth
Under Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, the Public Debt of the United States shall not be questioned
The Grace Commission stated that all income tax goes to pay the debt
Federal Reserve Notes represent debt of the United States
Summary: If you are a United States citizen, it is recommended that you pay your taxes. And, each and every one of you expecting government to take care of you, thanks for destroying what used to be a great Republic.
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07-14-2008, 09:53 PM
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07-14-2008, 10:45 PM
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And I still maintain that LB is getting richer on the sale of that book and its' questionable information (have seen no documented proof of its' voracity), when such information if it were holding merit should be made available to each American whether they can afford to purchase it or not.
So go ahead folks, dish out your FRN's to Bork and support the system of fiat money by using fiat money.
Jerry Carlos
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Originally Posted by weishaupt1776
However, when you have people on a forum that are only concerned about "discharging" debt and getting a free car or house, rather than protecting theirs, and future generations rights pursuant to a lawful status premise, you are left with a board full of opportunists who want to have their cake and eat it too
OR
When you have the "geniuses" who haven't even read the Red Amendment, but want to pump up their ego and think they can do it all on their own, you are left with a bunch of know it alls running in different directions, thus dispersing any focused and consolidated attempt at getting the governements to recognize an identifiable group of people as ones having the lawful nationality
Back to the post which sparked this:
Michael Badnarik, former Libertarian presidential candidate in the 2004 election, and one who has deep knowledge of the Consitutions, is not only endorsing The Red Amendment, but wants to start teaching out of this book on a mass scale
If LB is some loon spouting off a bunch of smack, it is doubtful that Badnarik would be illuninated by LB's work
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'Many are the plans in a man's heart,
but it's the Lord's purpose that prevails."
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"The most important office in a democracy is the office of citizen."
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07-15-2008, 09:33 AM
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yeah, whatever you say Jerry. You definitely don't know what you are talking about when you say LB is getting rich
He wonders how he is going to make rent each month in a small apartment
you have not seen any documented proof of its veracity because you haven't read the book
he cites nothing but law in there
so here's the logic:
read the book and it's law citations
if the law citations are off, then you are right
if they are dead on, then you are just spouting illogical drivel
2 questions:
Is that your definition of getting rich?
Do you have the same problems paying rent as LB?
If not, then you are richer then him, sir
also, LB does take silver and other forms of lawful money for the book
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07-15-2008, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by weishaupt1776
yeah, whatever you say Jerry. You definitely don't know what you are talking about when you say LB is getting rich
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"getting rich" would be a matter of interpretation. As will be addressed near the bottom of this post.
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He wonders how he is going to make rent each month in a small apartment
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As do many thousands of other men and women across the land mass known as America.
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you have not seen any documented proof of its veracity because you haven't read the book
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I have not seen any documented proof of its voracity, because none has been posted on this or any other forum where his technology is expounded. Can't read teh book, as it is financially beyond my reach. So it would appear that this book is only available to those "of means", those that have FRN's to cast off on anything that sounds good. This would also mean that this book of remedy is only available to those that can afford to purchase it. This would mean that 'liberty' and 'freedom', as seen from the eyes of LB, is only available to those that can 'pay his fee'. This would mean that LB supports the theory of "Justice", "freedom" and "liberty" are for sale and can be purchased.
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Originally Posted by weishaupt1776
he cites nothing but law in there
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What you say there cannot be entirely true. You are implying that LB does not make any private interpretations of those 'cites' of 'law' that you mention immediately above. If that is the case, then why would anyone desire to purchase his material, when those 'cites' of 'law' are available in most libraries that have a legal section or have the availability of inter-library loan services. So he is selling nothing more than 'legal citations' with no commentary of his own rendition?
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so here's the logic:
read the book and it's law citations
if the law citations are off, then you are right
if they are dead on, then you are just spouting illogical drivel
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Make the book available and I will be more than happy to take you up on that challenge.
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Originally Posted by weishaupt1776
2 questions:
Is that your definition of getting rich?
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Is "what" my definition of getting rich? You have cited no conditions for comparative analysis.
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Originally Posted by weishaupt1776
Do you have the same problems paying rent as LB?
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Actually Weish, I have a more serious problem with 'paying rent'. I have absolutely no income, zero, nada, zilch. I have a roof over my head, at the moment, only due to the good graces of my eldest son. Who, by the way, has a very low paying job, and he has a difficult time making ends meet especially since he decided to allow me to move in with them in order to keep me from having to live on the streets. That's right folks. Not a pot to pee in nor a window to throw it out, that can rightfully be said to be mine.
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If not, then you are richer then him, sir
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Guess your question from above (pertaining to my definition of 'rich' ) is answered in the last paragraph.
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also, LB does take silver and other forms of lawful money for the book
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What is your definition of "lawful money"? CPN's and BOE's are construed to be 'lawful money', are you stating as a representative of LB, that LB will accept either of those items as a 'tender of payment'? If he will accept a 'check' or 'pay pal' transaction , or 'cc' payment, or even 'money order', then he also accepts 'legal tender', and the CPN and BOE are definitely 'legal tender'.
Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.
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Summa Ratio est quae pro Religione facit.
If ever the laws of God and man are at variance, the former are to be obeyed in derogation of the latter.
'Many are the plans in a man's heart,
but it's the Lord's purpose that prevails."
Proverbs 19:21.
"The most important office in a democracy is the office of citizen."
Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Court Justice (1916-1939) referring to the responsibility of voters.
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07-15-2008, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Weishaupt1776
It's a shame that this forum is full of know it alls, people who have it all figured out or people who want to focus on getting free stuff.
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While what you have stated may be true of some on this forum, it is certainly not true of all. I agree with Jerry, that many are excluded from the so-called remedy that LB offers because of lack of funds. This is not about getting free stuff, this is about freeing people. Tell me Weis, when Christ freed us who paid the cost?
LB has more than many. If he is so poor that he can't pay his rent, then how is it he can go on radio shows and travel as he does?
Also, like Jerry, I would like to know where all those that are getting remedy with his process are? I am not talking about a traffic win either.
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