Johnny Liberty Under Fire

weishaupt1776 · #1 05-14-2005, 02:37 PM

http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv05251.htm

I wouldn't buy anything from Chris Hansen or Johnny at this point.

I can't afford their stuff anyway

TheBlackTruth · #2 05-14-2005, 11:17 PM

Johnny has been preparing for this eventuality for several years. He has stacks of documents in his office already pre-labeled for his defense. He's been completely transparent as to what has transpired. He's written about it in several articles and even has a synopsis on his website here.

Neither his current organization, ICR , nor his website that is owned or operated by this organization are under any sort of attack. In fact, unlike any other IRS raid I've heard of, the agents were careful not to touch any ICR's property including its bank accounts. This is a testament to how well one can be structured, even after the FED has its eye on you.

My prayers are with Johnny and I'm up late nights studying the case to see how I can help. I trust many of you are doing the same for he is is someone that is 100% committed to fighting for the freedom that we all so deeply desire.

-BT

weishaupt1776 · #3 05-19-2005, 09:34 PM

Seeing him stand up to these guys is going to be something to see.

A win or fending off of the DOJ would be a trial by fire proving him worthy of one who could protect a trust organization & it's property.

His victory would no doubt validate him as someone to go with.

Regardless of my opinion about him, I have to be on his side

wirlwind · #4 05-20-2005, 05:20 PM

My husband and I were members of IGP, and got one of Johnny Liberty's courses, plus the Global 1 course that he did. That was what first started opening our eyes. We attended a seminar in Cancun, but I don't remember him being there. When we weren't able to market the program, suddenly there is noone there with any help or support- just as he described in his article. Igp got us started on this quest for freedom, but I think that the founders of IGP were opportunists, and rode that horse until it died- not caring who they left in the wake. I have little respect for Dan, Dave and Zo (founders of IGP), and think that they have probably hurt the cause for freedom more than helping it.

BOBT12 · #5 05-20-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by weishaupt1776:

Johnny Liberty Under Fire

http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv05251.htm

I wouldn't buy anything from Chris Hansen or Johnny at this point.

I can't afford their stuff anyway

I am curious about the reason that you feel that Chris Hansen has anything to sell. Of course, I spend a lot of time at the Family Guardian website, and so far, I have yet to see anything for sale!

The Department of Justice (Injustice) has made baseless allegations that Chris Hansen is selling illegal tax shelters; however, these are merely lies. If you know something more on this issue, please bring it forward.

For your review, “Family Guardian Website Under Attack by Federal Mafia AGAIN, May 2, 2005”

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...ack-050502.htm

I don’t want to offend anyone; I am just trying to set the record straight.

weishaupt1776 · #6 05-21-2005, 04:58 AM

I'll say that that was an extreme position of mine, but it was mainly for any newbies that aren't able to intelligently defend themselves in the event they get put on a list & questioned.

There are people that are just getting into this stuff who also have families & if they proceed without caution, do not take heed, and just start jumping into uncharted territory w/o a map; agency intrusions can manifest in their lives while they are unprepared to deal w/it at the same time.

This stuff can cause an extreme rift in a family.

As far as Chris goes, it is his SEDM site which charges extreme fees for IRS response letters that don't work.
This is from personal knowledge w/this approach. The post office delivery person is the process server. The moment you sign a cert# receipt or even accept their envelope & open it, you have accepted the contract. You could write the prettiest response letter & deny stuff, and kick & scream all you want, but they have succeeded because you are presumed to have both read, understood, and agreed to their contract as far as they are concerned.

The best way to go is to NOT OPEN IT. Encase it in another envelope w/ a cover letter stating that you are sending it back unopened because you do not recognize it judging by the face of the document. Don't mention any issues, keep it neutral. DO NOT PUT A RETURN ADDRESS ON THE ENVELOPE!!!!!
This is not a majic bullet, but I have tried this once with the IRS 30 day letter 2 months ago - Do the Math. If they send me something else, I'll just send it back. They are fiction. Do not recognize fiction anymore.

PANICPASS · #7 05-21-2005, 08:59 AM

Weis rote:The best way to go is to NOT OPEN IT. Encase it in another envelope w/ a cover letter stating that you are sending it back unopened because you do not recognize it judging by the face of the document. Don't mention any issues, keep it neutral. DO NOT PUT A RETURN ADDRESS ON THE ENVELOPE!!!!!
This is not a majic bullet, but I have tried this once with the IRS 30 day letter 2 months ago - Do the Math. If they send me something else, I'll just send it back. They are fiction. Do not recognize fiction anymore.
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If you encase it in another envelope, and send it back, that is the same thing as receiving it. Do you really think IRS is that dumb to think it was not you who put the envelope in another envelope? Come on, Weis.

I would send it back with my name crossed off in black majic marker with "RETURN TO SENDER" on it. That's all I would do.

iamfreeru2 · #8 05-21-2005, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PANICPASS

Weis rote:The best way to go is to NOT OPEN IT. Encase it in another envelope w/ a cover letter stating that you are sending it back unopened because you do not recognize it judging by the face of the document. Don't mention any issues, keep it neutral. DO NOT PUT A RETURN ADDRESS ON THE ENVELOPE!!!!!
This is not a majic bullet, but I have tried this once with the IRS 30 day letter 2 months ago - Do the Math. If they send me something else, I'll just send it back. They are fiction. Do not recognize fiction anymore.
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If you encase it in another envelope, and send it back, that is the same thing as receiving it. Do you really think IRS is that dumb to think it was not you who put the envelope in another envelope? Come on, Weis.

I would send it back with my name crossed off in black majic marker with "RETURN TO SENDER" on it. That's all I would do.

I agree with PANICPASS, with one exception. If you are going to encase it in another envelope, not only do you not want to put a return adress on it, but you also do not want to put your name or address on the cover letter. What I have done in the past is just simply print: Found this on the sidewalk and thought it was something important so I am returning to you. Have a nice day. No signature or anything else. They can presume and assume all they want about who returned it.

PANICPASS · #9 05-21-2005, 11:08 AM

Found this on the sidewalk and thought it was something important so I am returning to you.

The thing is, nobody ever says that when they receive mail that is not theirs. How many people would actually write: "Found this on the sidewalk and thought it was something important so I am returning to you"? I wouldn't. Depending on who the letter was from, I would either: (1) throw it away (2) mark on the envelope "moved", or "return to sender, not here".

How many people actually find mail on the sidewalk?

iamfreeru2 · #10 05-21-2005, 11:56 AM

PANICPASS,

I am just stating what I have done in the past. It was recommended to me that way. I am not disagreeing with you on what you said to Weis.