Johnny Liberty gone?

[rushpat]

Just got this email from ICResources. It sounds like the Freedom movement is taking heavy losses this year. Any thoughts? Does anyone have any more info?

Rushpat


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Institute for Communications Resources, Inc.
December 14, 2005

Greetings!

The Institute for Communications Resources, Inc. (ICR) website will be undergoing seismic changes. This letter lets you know what to expect and why.

Johnny Liberty is permanently exiled from the United States. Those of you who knew him or his works know how much he loved this country, and how much he worked to help others in that true American Spirit, and to transmit the American Spirit of a former age.

Johnny Liberty was the pen-name, and now myth, of John David Van Hove, the man, who is being held effectively as a political prisoner of the United States. The hooks were cast in his willingness to help others. The coming changes on this website are to help him as much as possible.

More details located at:

* http://www.icresource.com/ICR/PDF/LastDaysofFreedom.pdf
* http://www.icresource.com/ICR/PDF/Th...omMovement.pdf
* http://www.icresource.com/ICR/PDF/TheLibertyStory.pdf

The changes related to ICR are due in respect to John David Van Hove as the Founder of ICR. The Vision that ICR carries remains, simply because the core of the Vision is the vision of all wo-mankind in their heart.
Website will be undergoing major changes

Johnny Liberty BOOKS, CDs, and DVDs, WILL NO LONGER BE AVAILABLE. You must order them within the next few weeks, for they will be removed from the website, and they are not expected to be available from other sources. They have been effectively banned in the United States.

Visit Our Catalog

The website will focus only on the mission of ICR, will not sell products or services, and much of the content will be reconstructed. The reconstruction process certainly will extend into several months as resources allow, and at some point, the site will go down temporarily to initiate a fresh start. So, expect some changes, and many improvements over time.

These specific areas have the following intended future: Individual Lifetime Memberships content will be maintained, updated and revised, and an explicit Terms and Conditions Statement Privacy Policy will be adhered. Likewise for Liberty Law School members, and in addition very special additional material will be made available. The current Client area will be removed. The Success Education online component will be maintained, updated, and revised. The free library area will be updated, and the overall look and feel of the site will change, as time and resources allow. Some other areas will be removed, and others added, to provide an overall enhanced user experience.
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What is the Institute for Communication Resources, Inc?

ICR has always been a global network of individuals, businesses, networks and organizations in free enterprise, creating a new paradigm world, particularly for the aspiring sovereign individual and company. ICR's mission has always been:

* To create a context for freedom, sovereignty and consciousness to emerge worldwide
* To create a free enterprise, sustainable and sovereign infrastructure for international project and business development in the primary areas of organic food, fresh water, clean air, shelter, renewable energy, environment, appropriate technology, communications, education, health and wellness
* To create Global Resource Centers to network opportunities, people, organizations, communities, projects, businesses and media
* To create the Waking Giant News Service to produce and distribute journalist quality content
* To facilitate the emergence of a global network identity in alignment with empowered leadership internationally, while fostering the creation an enlightened planetary civilization

Visit Our Website at www.icresource.com

Founder Contact Info

ICR was founded by John David Van Hove, and he has served many, many thousands of individuals. He is no longer associated in any way with ICR, per his wishes and his security. As a political prisoner, he can be contacted at NAME: John D. Van Hove, NUMBER: #68248-065, FDC HONOLULU, PO BOX 30080, HONOLULU, HI, 96820

He would appreciate hearing from you. Character witness statements are desired - write a letter simply stating (1) who is writing the statement, (2) how did they know and relate to John, and (3) what nice things do you have to say about John, (4) write it in a third party context, in other words, not to John, but to 'Judge' or 'To Whom it May Concern'. Enclose it in a letter to him. He is easily available via letter communication.

ICR respects the Vision and Mission of its Founder, extends the upmost regards, and wishes the best possible journey for him.

End Note

As a sovereign, customer, supporter, contributor, donator, or other supporter, you have advanced the mission of Liberty. Johnny Liberty has paid the ultimate heroic price, only because he stood, did not let down, and the old methods did not sway - read all of history. These facts are recorded, ad infinitum. The chalice stands before us while remaining an epic journey for each of us: Do you advance the herald of Liberty, or not?

Self-evaluate.



One last time: Johnny Liberty BOOKS, CDs, and DVDs, WILL NO LONGER BE AVAILABLE. You must order them within the next few weeks. They have been effectively banned in the United States. This is a message.

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Visit Our Website

Very Sincerely,

Friends of Liberty
Institute for Communications Resources, Inc.
email: icr@icresource.com
phone: 800-299-4497
web: http://www.icresource.com

[mrg]

Why do they often seem to take truthtellers to Honolulu to do their dirty work?

[weishaupt1776]

We have no idea what's going on. There are always 2 sides to the coin

Johnny copped a plea.

Was there a "bargain" attached to it? I don't know?

Is he "safer" in Honolulu lockdown/exile as a result?

[Livefire]

Van Hove did cop a plea. Here's the link......

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/hi/pr/2003/0511vanhove.html

[Jerseee]

Originally Posted by Livefire

Van Hove did cop a plea. Here's the link......

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/hi/pr/2003/0511vanhove.html

The perils of playing with their fiat currency. maybe he should have used liberty dollars.

I wish him well.

Here's what it says in the Hawaii state constitution:

IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT

Section 19. There shall be no imprisonment for debt. [Ren Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978]

http://www.hawaii.gov/lrb/con/conart1.html

Now who's breaking the law?

[rushpat]

Well, he apparently ran the business from Maui, so that's why it was Hawaii. I want to know why he pleaded guilty?

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by rushpat

I want to know why he pleaded guilty?

It would be totally out of character for him to do such a thing considering the depths that he went. Maybe he had something they wanted, and they offered him something in return.

Isn't that what usually happens when someone you wouldn't expect to plea -- - cops a plea?

[David Merrill]

I read some of Johnny Freedom's articles yesterday. As he approached the futility of fighting on their terms (venue) he began to despair that remedy does not exist at all. Or at least if it does it would be available to somebody as studied as he is. I disagree. However I am not a big property owner and I do not own a car.

I might write a treatise and start a new thread about success stories. In the meantime I will just paint a thumbnail sketch here:

"...the United States, ... within their respective districts, as well as upon the high seas; (a) saving to suitors, in all cases, the right of a common law remedy, where the common law is competent to give it; and shall also have exclusive original cognizance of all seizures on land,..." The First Judiciary Act; September 24, 1789; Chapter 20, page 77. The Constitution of the United States of America, Revised and Annotated - Analysis and Interpretation - 1982; Article III, §2, Cl. 1 Diversity of Citizenship, U.S. Government Printing Office document 99-16, p. 741.

The basic problem with remedy anymore is that nobody understands it enough to be competent. When we express ourselves competently then we access remedy because we lose by default otherwise:

saving to suitors, in all cases, the right of a common law remedy, where the common law is competent to give it

This was escape from the city of Babylon; excuse me; "city of Washington, District of Columbia".

In 1787 the Founding Fathers ratified the Constitution for the United States of America. But they effectively wrote a new Constitution of the United States of America in 1789 by extending the municipality, establishing districts out in the States of the Union. Then we see that in 1790 an Act was passed to handle the debts and obligations of the United States. That upon reading was based upon the districts and the district courts established.

Now to get really simplistic. Any foreign agent or principal approaching a man on the land here must come in off the sea. That is the admiralty jurisdiction of the district courts. The original nation-states did not relenquish sovereignty or even identity; in fact today they all have different constitutions - they pooled international trade rights so that outside nations would be dealing with the United States. But here is the rub - - Do you think you truly own your mailbox? Build one like a birdfeeder and no matter how sturdy, the mailman will likely tell you it will not work until it has an, "APPROVED BY THE POSTMASTER GENERAL" or such on it. Take a baseball bat to several from the back of a pickup truck and you are likely to be charged with a "federal offense".

The mailbox is expeditious process of common law notice and grace (in admiralty) of the district courts of the United States. Like little federal enclaves. Appear by breaking that seal on an envelope and you have just cured federal jurisdiction.

It comes back to the "Two United States" argument, supported by the Supreme Court. So many patriots and expert counsel like Lynn Meredeth even write books about it and then end up in federal prison; why? Usually greed. She started using the district courts of the United States for her living, buying and selling through the mail and on the Internet. She cured jurisdiction in the United States she was preaching to stay out of!

What I find a bit ironic is that Hawaii is possibly the only Article III court in existence outside the (territorial/municipal) District of Columbia. See Title 28 USC Sec. 91 establishing Article III authority because it was still a territory during the enactment.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[weishaupt1776]

Yup, ed rivera gos into it here
http://www.edrivera.com/magicbullet.htm

[David Merrill]

But Ed is an attorney and espousing that there is authority in the States.

That is a valid perspective for an attorney. However from a true common law standpoint bankruptcy disqualifies even the States. They went into agreement with the United States bankruptcy in 1933 by Governors' Convention on March 6. Common law authority is based entirely in taking responsibility. Bankruptcy may be the epitome of evading responsibility.

So one must consider perspective and glean pearls. I especially appreciate Ed Rivera's focus on Title 28 for a proof. But even so I am sure I could get it ridiculed over on Quatloos.


Regards,

David Merrill.