USPS Registered Mail

[mr.yet]

At the Post Offfice Today, they refuse to give Registered Mail for a Letter to be send.

Has anyone else had this problem?

Unfortunately, this is a big fuster cluck for the USPS.

Some post offices you go into freely pass out label 200's (Registered Mail Labels) and others act like you are a terrorist for asking for them.

I wrote the Postmaster General, and that bastard has not written me back, nor have I received back my green card even though I have attempted twice more to do so.

Local postmaster shut off general delivery for me, and that is definitely against regulations, so they are pretty much the god of the postal world unless you find an honorable postmaster, of which I know a few.

My advice, as an attorney at large, is to go to a different post office, but pray for favor first.

Also, a more socially engineered way of asking for them is this:

Have the green cards in your hand, and ask for ten registered receipts and labels.

Just say: "I need ten registered labels." Act like you have done this a hundred times, and do NOT act tenacious about it.

Don't ask for them, TELL them you need them, in a nice tone of voice. If they refuse, demand to speak to the postmaster. Ask him why he is refusing to allow you to conduct your business, and if he says that registered labels are "accounted for" [I have been through this more than a few times, believe me] you can make him look like an utter fool by simply saying:

Please show me that in the Domestic Mail Manual.

A helpful section in your favor is this one:

DMM 503.2.4.1 “USPS employees are not permitted to help customers prepare or seal mail to be registered.”

In other words, they are not to even put the label on, if you want to be specific and technical about it.


Hope this helps.

Henry Franklin

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by mr.yet

At the Post Offfice Today, they refuse to give Registered Mail for a Letter to be send.

Has anyone else had this problem?

Some clerks have not looked at the manual since they got the job and think since they have worked there twenty years they know everything. They will try pursuading you to use Certified Mail. I am not sure why except that there is little focus on the contents of the envelope. There is little liability and attorneys like that. In other words you could send one letter to the court and say you sent the same letter to the other party while the letter you sent to the other party might have been similar but for a few words and nobody would know unless the other party found out and showed it to the judge to compare. But I have to doubt that is on the clerk's minds at the post office. I think it is some training.

I have never had a problem with somebody insisting they want Registered Mail. The clerk always complies with the desire of the postal patron. They just like to suggest you use Certified, that's all.


Maybe I misunderstand your sketchy post. Because it is a little difficult to fathom a postal clerk actually sending you and your $12+ dollars out the door. Report it to his superior and he will be corrected.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[powder]

I have been into three or four postal outlets on many occasions and they have handed me a TON of labels. One clerk even ordered extras in for me..

The registered mail labels and envelopes are prepared offsite and then all the clerks have to do - is clerk work. Stamp, stamp, scan, collect FRNS. I think I have about 30 -ish sitting downstairs...

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by powder

I have been into three or four postal outlets on many occasions and they have handed me a TON of labels. One clerk even ordered extras in for me..

The registered mail labels and envelopes are prepared offsite and then all the clerks have to do - is clerk work. Stamp, stamp, scan, collect FRNS. I think I have about 30 -ish sitting downstairs...

Yes indeed. The DMM (Domestic Mail Manual) specifies the clerk is to give a roll of 600 Registered Mail labels upon request to "regular" users of Registered Mail.


P.S. My assumption from the original post was that the clerk flat out refused to send postal material by registered mail. I have encountered people being refused "home use" of Registered Mail labels on several occasions - maybe I should have assumed that is what was meant?

Odd, all the post offices I have gone to have them in little holders hanging on the wall, and you can get all you want.

[mikah2k]

Originally Posted by HenryBowman

Unfortunately, this is a big fuster cluck for the USPS.

Some post offices you go into freely pass out label 200's (Registered Mail Labels) and others act like you are a terrorist for asking for them.

I wrote the Postmaster General, and that bastard has not written me back, nor have I received back my green card even though I have attempted twice more to do so.

Local postmaster shut off general delivery for me, and that is definitely against regulations, so they are pretty much the god of the postal world unless you find an honorable postmaster, of which I know a few.

My advice, as an attorney at large, is to go to a different post office, but pray for favor first.

Also, a more socially engineered way of asking for them is this:

Have the green cards in your hand, and ask for ten registered receipts and labels.

Just say: "I need ten registered labels." Act like you have done this a hundred times, and do NOT act tenacious about it.

Don't ask for them, TELL them you need them, in a nice tone of voice. If they refuse, demand to speak to the postmaster. Ask him why he is refusing to allow you to conduct your business, and if he says that registered labels are "accounted for" [I have been through this more than a few times, believe me] you can make him look like an utter fool by simply saying:

Please show me that in the Domestic Mail Manual.

A helpful section in your favor is this one:

DMM 503.2.4.1 “USPS employees are not permitted to help customers prepare or seal mail to be registered.”

In other words, they are not to even put the label on, if you want to be specific and technical about it.


Hope this helps.

Henry Franklin

Henry Franklin,
What do you do when usps clerks ignore the DMM, or DMM section 503.2.4.1 to be more specific?

Originally Posted by mikah2k

Henry Franklin,
What do you do when usps clerks ignore the DMM, or DMM section 503.2.4.1 to be more specific?

I haven't figured that out yet, as there are no courts of competent jurisdiction but us.

[David Merrill]

DMM 503.2.4.1 “USPS employees are not permitted to help customers prepare or seal mail to be registered.”

The postal clerks seem to rely upon this for the sake of remaining at arms' length from culpability. However the purpose of Registered Mail is securing the contents. Some of the more skeptical clerks have said that we (suitors) should have the package sealed up and ready to ship before we even enter the Post Office.

I have attached plenty of evidence that helpful clerks will validate the accuracy of addresses (to multiple parties) and also rounddate the amount of an enclosed money order. The duty only lies with a Certificate of Mailing and I figure I can include copies or originals of that do***entation in the packages. The information on the Certificate is usually on the do***ent so I just affix the .95 fee on all copies of the do***ents and then the clerk cancels them and his initials on the transaction being nearly consecutive RM #s pretty much seals it that my process server, the postal clerk handled the entire thing at once.

The clerks like to send us suitors to the new clerks to train them about this process. So I always make it clear the objective is to authenticate that the same do***entation went to all parties. Therefore if they should notice something fishy, like that I am trying to convince one party the papers are uniform but they are not, the clerk is to police matters by calling down a postal inspector to investigate the contents and motives.

So basically I get the clerk as involved as I can being he or she is at least 18 and not involved in the case. The rounddate proves that my process server handled the process and cir***navigates the DMM.


Regards,

David Merrill.

Seems to me that the function of a postal clerk is to merely process mail and packages. Anything that involves some sort of legal process would be beyond their scope of work. Really, they are after all mere clerks whos job it is to take mail and packages, affix postage when necessary, and make change, what more can they be asked to do?