Chase redeems their coupon! - Page 16

David Merrill · #**151** 08-30-2007, 02:21 AM

No. I have not heard of a sealing judgment.

Sealing writs is the court process and I suppose that if the process comes under attack it might end in a judgment about the sealing.

Sealing Judgment?

David Merrill · #**152** 09-10-2007, 04:15 PM

The components were still there for authorization to redeem. It is the same old story... the bankers will not say that this suitor owes any money. That would be testimony on a Statement.

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I just don't know what to make of this yet. You recall in my correspondence entitled "Coupon Redemption," I showed you how I had sent my bank the notice to reverse my car loan using the "Accepted for Value" process, thanks to a letter given me by David Merrill. Well, on XXX I sent them the 6 page letter with some back-up materials (their "payment coupon" converted into a "money order/draft," HJR-192, 31 USC Sec. 3111, and the Credit River Money Decision).

Next, on XXX I sent the authorization to Secretary of the Treasury Henry Paulson to go ahead and redeem the auto loan. I also sent a copy of it to the bank, letting them know that as they had apparently decided to negotiate the redemption offer, here was the Letter of Advice (directions on how to negotiate the redemption) and also a copy of the letter which was sent authorizing the redemption to Secretary Paulson. Here is the body of the letter sent to Paulson:

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"Dear Secretary of the Treasury Paulson:

Please see the attached Notice and Coupon Offer "accepted for value" sent to XX Credit Union of XX, State, offering that they apply to you for redemption of my auto loan #XXXXX.

I am authorizing the Department of the Treasury Bank for redeeming the coupon negotiable instrument in the amount of $XX,XXX.00 and for offsetting the obligation for discharge/payment, within fifteen days of receipt of this request.

Thank you, Secretary Paulson, in advance for your assistance in this matter.

Sincerely..."

Well, on XXX, an employee of the credit union sent us a certified letter stating that they only received payments of "cash, check, or certified money order," and that we needed to apply directly to the Secretary of the Treasury for "payoff" of the account. We shelved that, determined that our redemption offer had been rejected after all, and that we would have to get hurry up and get caught up on the auto loan (by this time 4 months past due)...

So, I received that last statement from the credit union two days ago. Something about it looked quite strange, so I determined to check it against one of my earlier statements to see what the difference could be. Sure enough, it was VERY different. The one page statement generally has the savings account balance on the top (they only issue loans to "members," so we had to open an account a savings account in the amount of $5.00 to get the original auto loan). Underneath the savings account balance, the entire auto loan was listed out including payments to date, balance forward, balance due, total interest paid to date, etc.

That is they way the statement generally looked. THIS statement, received two days ago, looked very different, since it showed that the savings account had a withdrawal on XXX, in the amount of $5.00 (we did not withdraw these funds, trust me), with a balance forward of $0.00.

In addition, there's NOTHING ELSE on the page. NO CAR LOAN information shows up on the statement at all! The rest of the page is just blank...

There seems to be a clever turn though. The attorneys are pulling an implied consent on $5 withdrawn from the bank account - which should of course be refused for cause properly. That is to say, with full cognizance of the US.

I still disagree with pushing the redemption of the coupon on the "lender" by contacting the Treasury for them. That is their business with the Treasury.

This suitor is fully aware and experienced with the Refusal for Cause process, using a federal case jacket to secure the "exclusive original cognizance" of the US. The Statement is exactly that, a Statement. It is a Statement from the "lender" saying that there is no balance due...

However they have asked consent to "levy" the account by $5 in hopes that this consent may be utilized later - maybe to clean out the entire account or another account. I would never give my acquiescence for random withdrawals - even for $5 and suggest this suitor not - R4C immediately. Recall that the original suitor on this thread had a few bucks charged, including a $5 fee and some miscellaneous service charges under $50 total...

He authorized redemption on that as a subsequent coupon.

Regards,

David Merrill.

trooper2ls · #**153** 02-07-2008, 12:26 PM

After reading all of the posts in this thread the user Shoonra who claims to be an attorney is definatly on a delusional dis-information quest.

If in fact she is an attorney, then she is a member of the BAR (British Accredidation Regency). As a member of the Bar then she is obligated to uphold the fabric of the illusion that has been built around us. After all by definition, hiring an attorney to represent you basically legally declares you incompetent. It is sort of ironic because I have found most attorneys to be very narrow minded and field specific due to their alliance with the Regency. Their purpose is more to keep you in line with the law rather than represent you and give you straight answers.

My sister in-law is currently a law professor and practiced as a Senate Pro-Tiem Counsel for over 15 years and she is one of the most narrow minded individuals I know.

David I appreciate you taking your time to post all of the information that you have. Taking your own time, free of charge, to help others is a very noble position. I can sympathize with you because most people do not even begin to comprehend how deep the #$%! is around them. It is very much like trying to explain to someone inside "The Matrix" about life in the real world. The illusion that has been built around us over the generations seems so real. For those of us who care to listen and research for themselves the proof is there in plain view. After all "we" are all referred to as "human capital" by the bankers and federal reserve. They don't bother to hide it but are banking on the fact that we are all caught up in our daily lives and routines of ignorance that we don't even bother to look.

PM me sometime and I'll share my experience to date on this coupon issue. I'm not going to publish my experience until I have a full resolution on the various banks that I have called to the table. Each one has a different strategy in trying to deflect the issue. Standing my ground and knowing my position has allowed me to make progress on each one of them.

Thanks again for sharing this with us. I originally was informed of this via notice from an inside group of which I'm a member.

...Jim

sheisaceo · #**154** 02-07-2008, 01:00 PM

So the number used is the SSN and not prefixed nor suffixed? I am trying to access cusip information and it is my understanding that the SSN, without dashes, is the 'account number'.

I will use this is the number is the SSN.

David Merrill · #**155** 02-07-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by trooper2ls

After reading all of the posts in this thread the user Shoonra who claims to be an attorney is definatly on a delusional dis-information quest.

If in fact she is an attorney, then she is a member of the BAR (British Accredidation Regency). As a member of the Bar then she is obligated to uphold the fabric of the illusion that has been built around us. After all by definition, hiring an attorney to represent you basically legally declares you incompetent. It is sort of ironic because I have found most attorneys to be very narrow minded and field specific due to their alliance with the Regency. Their purpose is more to keep you in line with the law rather than represent you and give you straight answers.

My sister in-law is currently a law professor and practiced as a Senate Pro-Tiem Counsel for over 15 years and she is one of the most narrow minded individuals I know.

David I appreciate you taking your time to post all of the information that you have. Taking your own time, free of charge, to help others is a very noble position. I can sympathize with you because most people do not even begin to comprehend how deep the #$%! is around them. It is very much like trying to explain to someone inside "The Matrix" about life in the real world. The illusion that has been built around us over the generations seems so real. For those of us who care to listen and research for themselves the proof is there in plain view. After all "we" are all referred to as "human capital" by the bankers and federal reserve. They don't bother to hide it but are banking on the fact that we are all caught up in our daily lives and routines of ignorance that we don't even bother to look.

PM me sometime and I'll share my experience to date on this coupon issue. I'm not going to publish my experience until I have a full resolution on the various banks that I have called to the table. Each one has a different strategy in trying to deflect the issue. Standing my ground and knowing my position has allowed me to make progress on each one of them.

Thanks again for sharing this with us. I originally was informed of this via notice from an inside group of which I'm a member.

...Jim

You are welcome Jim;

And I also mean Welcome to Suijuris. It turns out that Shoonra is a man who was willing to lead me on for months in drag.

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Librarian Bernard J. Sussman . . . . (202) 501-5861
Education: New School 1971 BA;
American U 1979 JD; Catholic U 1988 MLS

http://www.leadershipdirectories.com...B_sp_sum05.pdf

He is predisposed into Zionism and writes for the ADL too.

www.adl.org/mwd/suss1.asp

As I figure it, Shoonra has never really had much experience in the courtroom since entering the DC Bar in 1979. However this is to all our advantage. He is a law librarian (retired) by career instead and so is more compelled to share factual information than to protect or know how to protect the esoterics of the Bar. He is rarely ever caught in a flat out lie but if you are clever about his perspective on history and law, you can learn a lot out of Shoonra's nearly perpetual spin.

The coupon issue is nothing to me. Simply put, since the Treasury has any first lien on anything bought with FRNs, as opposed to lawful money, any credit debt to any intermediary is void by malfeasance of office and breach of fiduciary responsibility. Any "creditors" regarding me have long been fired on simple misbehavior. But thank you for the offer. I write extensively here and still spend little time so I prefer not to go into extensive conversations in PM, that do not edify and collectively poll experiences from this wonderful resource www.Suijuris.net. It just feels like way too much a waste to only converse with one member.

Here is a cool find attached. This fellow settled out for a lot less than the $5M. But just the same he was restored and then some.

Regards,

David Merrill.

trooper2ls · #**156** 02-08-2008, 08:57 AM

Hmmm.. wasn't the ADL and the NAACP and the ACLU all funded by the same group of Jewish bankers that still hold all the cards today? On the PM note.. I'm just real careful about naming specific associations that I have on the forum because anyone can read it and you can't just trust anyone nowdays.

I've been positioning for years to "jump ship". I bought a piece of property last year that is an original Holland Land Company lot. It is located in a town that has no Zip Code... for real. I am only the 11th owner since the treaty with the Seneca back in 1789 so it has made my job of getting back to the allodial title much easier than most. Somehow when all the territories and zip code lines were being drawn our little hamlet ended up in a little triangle between them and we are so small and insignificant that no one bothered to correct the oversight.

There are a lot of like minded people in this little corner of the New York and many have lived independently for generations. Great people to have as friends and neighbors. I got my original "training" from my grandfather who was the treasurer of the former "First Boston Corp" for over 45 years. He was an insider at the highest level and was always feeding us information to help protect us from the system as we progressed through life. I just wish he had gotten through to my parents ... unfortunately they are forever lost in the Matrix.

Have a great year.

..J

David Merrill · #**157** 02-08-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by trooper2ls

Hmmm.. wasn't the ADL and the NAACP and the ACLU all funded by the same group of Jewish bankers that still hold all the cards today? On the PM note.. I'm just real careful about naming specific associations that I have on the forum because anyone can read it and you can't just trust anyone nowdays.

I've been positioning for years to "jump ship". I bought a piece of property last year that is an original Holland Land Company lot. It is located in a town that has no Zip Code... for real. I am only the 11th owner since the treaty with the Seneca back in 1789 so it has made my job of getting back to the allodial title much easier than most. Somehow when all the territories and zip code lines were being drawn our little hamlet ended up in a little triangle between them and we are so small and insignificant that no one bothered to correct the oversight.

There are a lot of like minded people in this little corner of the New York and many have lived independently for generations. Great people to have as friends and neighbors. I got my original "training" from my grandfather who was the treasurer of the former "First Boston Corp" for over 45 years. He was an insider at the highest level and was always feeding us information to help protect us from the system as we progressed through life. I just wish he had gotten through to my parents ... unfortunately they are forever lost in the Matrix.

Have a great year.

..J

That is one of the coolest and most informative posts I have ever read.

Regards,

David Merrill.

David Merrill · #**158** 02-27-2008, 04:52 AM

I got an email on this topic:

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On another note _______ recently received some encouraging news on the credit/card coupon redemption technique, CHASE after 30 days of whining about not understanding our offer and how their attorneys believed that she didn't have a leg to stand on and they were not going to respond anymore to her correspondence and that other folks have tried similar tactics and that these matters are taken very seriously blah,blah,blah. Guess what David? Yesterday her statement arrived with a zero balance Thanks for that one David.

Regards,

David Merrill.

free*to*be*me · #**159** 03-12-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sheisaceo

So the number used is the SSN and not prefixed nor suffixed? I am trying to access cusip information and it is my understanding that the SSN, without dashes, is the 'account number'.

I will use this is the number is the SSN.

When I did the credit card method I used my SS# as the account number, without dashes, they really don't seem to reply much after you send this to them, and tend to ignore your request, but watch your statements for the credits. I have done 7 cards and they all have different results, some respond some don't, I R4C all the correspondence from them and did get a credit on the chase statement, the others are totally ignoring my request as thus far, but I have just recently done them and have not had time to receive a statement as to the results, its just a waiting game.

David Merrill · #**160** 03-12-2008, 11:57 AM

Good to hear from you again! Thanks for sharing.

On double enrichment; or maybe more on Refusal for Cause. Somebody just showed me a letter and it jumped right out at me.

Here is all I look at from judicial standing - a court of competent jurisdiction:

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NOTICE...

The current creditor to whom the debt is owed... (has sold the note and is proving the debt by) ...asset backed pass-through certificates (as indicated by that being on the end of their paragraph-long name).

If you request proof of the debt... (asset backed pass-through notes will suffice instead of an original note as provided by law pursuant to this notice).

[If you wish to demand the original note be provided for any foreclosure to proceed, then you must Refuse for Cause this notice to escape judgment against you in equity. The law requiring the original note can only be demanded in common law.]

Regards,

David Merrill.