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Old 01-07-2007, 10:11 PM
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Money is an imaginative social overlay humans impose upon themselves to rationalize their singular and group interactions.

The primary mission of an operative monetary system is to expedite commerce at distance across lands and seas, and the primary characteristic of money functions is a communication of information. I was already going down that road in my thinking when I found Prof. Blains INFORMATION CHAIN THEORY: http://www.siue.edu/SOCIOLOGY/journal/blain.htm

I try to discover the natural law - my assumption is that any written law that stands at odds or is any way slanted in error away from natural law, then that written law is somehow faulty.

Natural law says that no man nor woman has ever been born who can go back to yesterday and finish work that was left undone, nor has any man or woman ever been born who can work tomorrow such that tasks left unfinished today will be discovered finished upon rising in the morn.

The only day anything ever gets done is this day. Today.

If human intellectual and physical labor is the source of human products and value, then after the work is finished the product is paid for and this applies from the lowest to the largest collaborative effort. And if this is true, then any collective debt to a class of special humans called "bankers" is simply a fiction of law due to a faulty imaginative monetary structure. In nature the dead do not serve up food or clothing to the living nor do the not-yet-born. In nature's world, the only debt any living humans owe is to the still-yet-living but older humans who worked yesterday and the days prior to yesterday and from whose efforts we-the-yet-living derive benefit.

There is a reverse hierarchy of truth of information in monetary systems and a certain class of humans who specialize in lying and thievery who derive personal benefit from creation and transmission of lies in money. Any act of lying with money is an act of counterfeiting.

This reverse hierarchy is:
  • Generally, lies are easily told with computers and electronic records.
  • Lies may be told with paper contracts, but are fairly easy to track and correct.
  • Final settlement of all contracts by payment of precious metals such as silver and/or gold tends to keep the monetary communications chain in truth.

"Savings" whether they are savings of precious metals or an ownership position in some kind of business is nevertheless meaningless should some kind of horrific disease wipe all of the younger humans off the face of the earth.

Human society is interdependent and generally so******tic in nature; Joel Skousen exposed in his book THE NAKED CAPITALIST how the communist system is actually created by a class of humans who practice guile and deception to centralize ownership and control through control of the "state." Centralization and ownership of the credit of the people with banks licensed to hypothecate the credit of the people is the fifth plank of the communist manifesto and the center pin around which this latest manifestation of communism is being designed in this US of A.

Theft of the people's credit is at the center of the unpayable national debt - it begins with an improper bookkeeping entry.

This isn't all I have to post on the money subject, nor is this post comprehensive of the direct subject matter; just food for thought.

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Thank you for that post Levi.
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Old 01-09-2007, 07:50 AM
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mortgage coupon?

Somebody has noticed the mortgage schedule for their home is a coupon too. The redemption authorization is looking awfully good.

There are some things one should be aware of so as not to be disappointed in the results. First I was not expecting this paper to function as it did. It however spoke the truth about double-enrichment but I was not expecting Chase to deliver a Statement as such an obvious admission.

Second, the Statement makes it look like one can press this $15,000 credit limit monthly. Somebody else put together the threats about double-enrichment but his communications skills were hurried or poor - a few big runon sentences that when studied failed to make sense. But there were some components missing too.* That last paragraph is important. The suitor I am sure followed my advice and destroyed his Chase cards. Too tempting.

You only get to use this redemption technique one time if at all. If you use it and then sell your good faith and credit through the private credit system in the future - your endorsement will be guaranteed - by yourself!**

So you better understand a little about the bonding system based in the legal or true name and birth certificate as a bank note before you dabble in coupon redemption. You better understand that this fellow who got the Chase Statement has been using his true name for years - albeit sometimes to operate dba in commerce. By signing properly "dba" then he limits any and all presumptions that can be made lawfully against him. But by understanding why he signs "dba" is the key to doing so successfully.

Contemplate why Judge Roy Bean, an active registered attorney in a black robe calls me Van Pelt. Comprehend why Demosthenes jumped on the full name, albeit not mine, for the title of her thread...

http://www.quatloos.com/Tax-Forums/v....php?t=1007038

And understand the timing too. Always understand the timing (linked below) - http://www.quatloos.com/Tax-Forums/v...007033&start=0 . Demosthenes tipped her hand upon Judge Roy Bean's lead - they do not understand that US Notes are still available in public money. If they do they desperately keep that esoteric of the Bar. When they saw me mention my fee, they thought that an admission of taxable income in the private credit and private law system of the Federal Reserve.

I would be disappointed in myself if somebody lost their home offering the coupon for redemption, simply because I did not explain about what character can claim bad faith because they are heir apparent to the original estate.





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David Merrill.


* Last night somebody called me saying they heard I had been indicted. I assured that that was just Demosthenes' revival of a decade old rumor - a vacant prosecution. I called his source and he forwarded an email from a man who is described as psychotic. Maybe so but when he wanted me to draft him remedy he kept saying things that threw me and I refused to help him. He became very angry with me and was warned by people to quit spreading lies about me. That must have been five years ago.

He wrote the email with the indictments newspaper article Demosthenes has revived, and to the author of the rough draft of the coupon redemption. [Sometimes advanced resonance is quite amazing.] His point was that I do not know my own name! "Even his name is not real."

** With a card what are they gonna do? Take your card? Threaten your credit - they tried that and the suitor refused for cause. The first thing Chase did was threaten full Collection on the account - something that is usually an impossible thing for someone extended to do. But with a home as collateral, one better be very careful to be able to save the home (new financing from a rich relative for instance) unless you are headed for a foreclosure anyway.



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Old 01-09-2007, 09:35 PM
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So writing "accepted for value" in red across the coupon I posted would not be a good idea huh?
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Old 01-10-2007, 09:10 AM
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David,

Please be patient with me, but I have some questions. I would like to attempt to use this process with my mortgage. I am currently in default and facing foreclosure, and about to move anyway.

- I presume this is to be mailed by express mail?
- Am I to include return postage for RM?
- What if I've not been signing my true name dba?
- How do you endorse the coupon? On the back like a check or what?
- Should you send it to the PO box shown on the coupon?
- I'm confused by your statement(s) that it looks like you can use it for up to $15k a month, but that you can only do it once?

Thanks!
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Old 01-11-2007, 08:45 AM
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I would be disappointed in myself if somebody lost their home offering the coupon for redemption, simply because I did not explain about what character can claim bad faith because they are heir apparent to the original estate.

Good advice. Well heeded.

Another coupon. This one looks like a check.

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Old 01-11-2007, 08:56 AM
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So writing "accepted for value" in red across the coupon I posted would not be a good idea huh?


I doubt it. The objective is to tender the coupon back to the "creditor" with your authorization to redeem it.

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David,

Please be patient with me, but I have some questions. I would like to attempt to use this process with my mortgage. I am currently in default and facing foreclosure, and about to move anyway.

- I presume this is to be mailed by express mail?

Registered Mail with attached (rounddated .95 stamps) Certificate of Mailing is much higher elevation of authority.

- Am I to include return postage for RM?

No.

- What if I've not been signing my true name dba?

My experience tells me we have nearly all known our true names since our parents told us. Even if they conditioned us to thing legal and full names were truly our names after that.

- How do you endorse the coupon? On the back like a check or what?

I may have to get that from the suitor. Like I said this is somebody else's intellectual property - he just did such a hurried job with runon sentences that the suitor came to me to refine it. When it was done, we formed the authorized signature on the coupon together but over the phone and I am a little sketchy what it looked like when we finished. I never saw the finished coupon.

- Should you send it to the PO box shown on the coupon?

I think that appropriate.

- I'm confused by your statement(s) that it looks like you can use it for up to $15k a month, but that you can only do it once?

It would be bad faith to keep using the credit card at all. Maybe even to use new credit cards in general once you know you are selling your credit. The suitor is happy to get out of the private credit system.


Thanks!

Thank you for the additional coupon.

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Return coupon and payment to:

That speaks of double enrichment right there. I wish it was my intellectual property but so what if somebody else spotted it first!



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David Merrill.

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Old 01-11-2007, 09:25 AM
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That speaks of double enrichment right there.

I wonder what would happen if one returned only the payment...not the coupon. :(

It looks like a check, just missing the "authorized signature" microprinted line.

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Thank you for the additional coupon.

You're welcome.

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Old 01-11-2007, 10:41 AM
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I wonder what would happen if one returned only the payment...not the coupon. :(

It looks like a check, just missing the "authorized signature" microprinted line.



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I am supposing that would be only single enrichment but a bit more expensive to the consumer considering his credit will pay off the coupon just fine. And considering that the FRNs paid were honestly won.
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:16 AM
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David, this appears to be a coupon (the word "coupon" being in small print at the bottom), correct? Does this mean that is it available for discharge of debt using the bond taken out in the name of the one named? This account had a large balance through a 0% balance transfer offer; it expires this July. Minimum payment each month is all that is required; balance must be paid in full by July.

Does anyone know where "coupon" is defined? I didn't see it in the UCC.
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Does anyone know where "coupon" is defined? I didn't see it in the UCC.


The author of the document grabbed some definitions. I came across something in AmJur too:
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