Contractor's licenses??

[Rory]

I was going to go into more detail on this matter over the last weekend but my ISP was down. Don't have time to go into it now. Hope to soon.


I understand that there is resistance building.


Rory

[Jerseee]

Sui Juris,


That was Ice's analogy but, I am in total agreement with you&nonetheless.


Rory,


I mentioned this to Montana in another thread and I will mention the same to you.& Once you get your first victory (which will be soon if you follow the truth and not argue), a new sense of pride will flow within you and your knowledge base on these issues will expand due to your success.& Then you will truly see that deep down inside a true sense of sovereign responsibility and freedom will overcome your senses.& despite the turmoil that surrounds us all.& Remember Neo at the end of&part I of the Matrix?


I am speaking from experience.& I am 4-0 against debt collectors and credit card companies.I do not see any immediate defeat on these fronts in the near future since i do play that game any longer and I set the rules of the game if i am forcefully invited due to fraudulent means.& Knock on wood, i have never had to go to court over any of these matters.


godspeed

[Rory]

Our city has passed a new ordinance requiring permits to do just about anything to your property and also requiring anyone working in the city to have a city contractor's license.


We are having a meeting tonight to organize resistance against this.


What are some of the points that you folks think should be brought up tonight?


Rory


I'll let you know how it goes.

[Jerseee]

Do not argue.& make them prove that you need a license to work on your own property.& if you have to ask permission to work on your own property---then it is not your property.& it belongs to the city since you have to ask them for permission.


i would try to steer the organization in this direction of honor and avoid a *censored* and moan session.& just my thoughts.

[Rory]

Let me play Devils avocate.....You& said "make them prove that you need a license to work on your own property."They say we passed an ordinance requiring it so you must comply.


Rory&

[Jerseee]

Rory,


do they have jurisdiction?

[Rory]

My way of thinking&is that they have jurisdiction if you go and get the permit or license but until then they don't.


I have a ruling that spells it out pretty good.


An ordinance which...makes the peaceful enjoyment of freedoms which the Constitution guarantees contigent upon the uncontrolled will of an official--as by requiring a permit or license which may be granted or withheld in the discretion of such official---is an unconstitutional censorship or prior restraint upon the enjoyment of those freedoms. And our desisions have made clear that a person faced with such an unconstitutional licensing law may igonore it and engage with impunity in the exercise of the right of free expression for which the law purports to require a license. ~~SHUTTLESWORTH cv. CITY OF BIRMINGHAM AL


The other day I looked up this case at the Law Library and did find it but couldn't find this exact quote. Shuttlesworth was quite an activist so there was more than one case.&Has anyone else looked up this case?


Also what the heck does cv stand for?


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[Rory]

Jerseee you said...


>>>Once you get your first victory (which will be soon if you follow the truth and not argue), a new sense of pride will flow within you and your knowledge base on these issues will expand due to your success. Then you will truly see that deep down inside a true sense of sovereign responsibility and freedom will overcome your senses. <<<


Here is a quote I think you'll like


"Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory." -- George S. Patton


Jerseee just a little background....I first started my engagement with the "enemy" in the early 80's and for the most part had victories. At times it was fun but then other times I hated opening up my mailbox. I didn't have much of a support team in place to ask questions or for just encouragement so the battle dragged on. In one of my cases the enemy didn’t schedule a court date before the time limits ran out and they sent me a note saying that unless I objected the case would go away....it was a case where they came after me. Part of me wanted to object and peruse the case but when they offered to end the case I took it. Well anyway I could go on but the point is I kinda just faded into the shadows and went on to raising a family and knew that the battle would come back to me in some form or another but to be truthful I haven’t kept up the study as much as I should. I am now just getting back into it, but trying to read through one of the other threads I realize how far back I have fallen....I had a tough time following along. I’m getting kinda long winded here so I’ll stop in just a second or so....


The other night we had our initial meeting to discuss the permits and licensing ordinances the city is trying to push. At times it started turning into a >>> a *censored* and moan session<<<. I remembered your advise and jumped in and tried to direct the meeting back to the subject at hand. The meeting went pretty good and we got somewhat a game plan down. I’ll fill you all in on the progress as it goes along.


Rory

[Jerseee]

Rory,

One of the reasons this whole charade is going on is to enslave you and get you tired of fighting back. I am glad that you are part of this forum or any other forum for that matter.

Thanks for the compliments. I am also aware of how meetings can go when folks are ill-informed and unprepared to come to a mutual concensus (meeting of the minds). Those types of meetings usually end with people airing their personal problems and offering no solution to any problems (including their own).

Those types of forums are just crying out for a leader to guide them in a dierction to gain victory over a wicked interloper that poses as an authoritive figure over the mis-informed.

With the knowledge you have so far, I believe that you can organize the flock and have them focus on defeating the wolves instead of focusing on a good place to hide while the massacre is going on. take the lead. You have done the first step by asking questions in this forum and not begging the masters for permission to work.

You know your right to work is god given, just as god has charged you with being a responsible sovereign. So teach the un-informed about their rights and the 2 governments operating in their country and community. The question of jurisdiction should come up as well.

Keep in mind, that I am not for insurrection of any government. But when a government misleads you then you, as a man, must do whatever it takes to protect yourself, your livelihood, your family, and even your fellow man....by any means necessary.

[Rory]

First things first, in my last post I didn't intend to use the word "peruse" but pursue. Any way one of the points that needs to be made to the City Council is what is their job description? To clean the streets, pick up the garbage, water, police, fire and that’s about it. To think that they want us to get their permission to change a window or door in our own homes is ridiculous, or to get their permission to contract with someone to do it?


The preliminary object of our group is to get an ordinance passed to counter the ordinance that they just passed. This is what we have to do, if they won’t do it themselves, is get 3 city citizens to put forward a counter ordinance and get a % of the number of people who voted in the last election to sign a petition and the council has to put it on the ballet for a city wide vote. Talk around town is the citizens are on our side and this will send a clear message to the council to butt out and mind their own business and take out the trash.


Any suggestions or comments?


Rory