Not a Loss - May Be Some Success Too

[Sharing Lights]

I am respectful to opinions of other members,
as only they know and feel the aftermath of their, personal experiences.

I would like to briefly share the experience of the recent
encounter with the local Police.



I was pulled over by two PO (Police Officers)
while driving.

Was asked whether knew the reason?


Honestly replied that did not.

Was accused of making an illegal U-turn.

I respectfully, addressed the questioning officer.

I acknowledged that he was trying to do his job and may have believed
that I committed a violation.

First contact has been established by calmness and human
conduct [w/o both: attitude and fear.]

Was asked from where and to where was going?

Without any going into my rights for free travel
[which I don't doubt for a second, dealt with the circumstances:

I am stopped,
I am accused,]
I realized that have to deal with it wisely.

So I replied calmly and coherently.

ID was asked with insurance and registration.



Gave my ID without hesitation, only firmly pointing out to the fact that DR LIC
would prove that I live around the corner and know the area and signs quite well.

Since, the moment was resting on the compliance with order to show ID,
continued as it is self-apparent that I am more than familiar wit the area,
I had no reason to violate any law, particualry when saw the PO vehicle in distance.

Was calmed and called the officer by his name, as remembered to
memorize the badge right away.

Calm replies kept the PO calm as well.

The PO insisted that the U-turn was illegal.


I pointed out that I am not disputing his
knowledge of law and area but only, respectfully, bring his attention to
the fact that I pulled out of the parking spot whereas I was past the
sign and; thus, could not violate such.


PO replied that, then, it meant that I backed up.

I replied that I believe that the PO is trying to do his duties
and he is more than welcomed to ask me any questions but I offer a better solution:
to visit the exact spot from where I left the parking spot and
would rather have the PO judge himself
as exact geometrical position is better than my description if the PO is not sure of my accuracy.

I was not undermining his accuracy - I
pointed out to mine only, thus, taking much of ego wounding instantly
[not mine of course.]


The PO did not appear as eager to revisit the spot.


I did not insist but said that if that is OK, I would like
to remind the PO that since my parking spot was not blocking or blocked (from)
any angle, I nether had a reason to back up nor did so but understand that
at a distance it may have looked a bit ambiguous to the officers and
do not dispute his judgment but only reflecting what I actually did.

Smoothed over the edge of potential, illogical conclusion on the PO's part
backing up without making him look dumb.

Accent on him doing his job -not making up
stories of backing up [for, I did not back up indeed.]

Again returned to "my angle of view" in calm mode, looking straight
at the eyes but not in combatant manner.

Calm stand of my ground.


Avoided any potential reference to court and proof.

Politely finished with the coherent logistics that
when there is no need to back up and I was past past the sign, the sign can't,
possibly, apply to any object past it.

I

He seemed to be a bit confused by calmness and rational.


It looked like he was ready to unload if I was to start a confrontation
but I was taking his air out.

The car was searched just in case, but first "asked" if I did not mind.


I said that did not mind, particualry when there are two armed officers.

The PO looked at my license, his partner said that my car and maneuver
looked suspicious and that's why I was stopped.



I agreed that anything suspicious has a probable cause to be stopped but did not
confirm that I/car were suspicious.


Only remained on Maxims or sort of.

I was in circumstances of potential volatility and, calmly, used an Esoteric Approach
of pouring water over fire.


The ID was returned and I was let go without any, further
activity.

I thanked the officers for acting decently and wished good night.

Just a reflection of an actual encounter or if can win
the first round, why go to the wire?

.................

[powder]

Was it a Govt DL you presented ? Is it valid ?

[Sharing Lights]

Originally Posted by powder

Was it a Govt DL you presented ? Is it valid ?

A regular Driver's License issued by the State.

By State's & Federal Rules - it is.

[ezrhythm]

First of all, Thank You for sharing and congratulations to you for remaining calm and unfearful during this experience.
When I saw the title to the thread I began to look forward to reading about "some success" knowing that Sharing Lights has been posting here quite a while.
Having over 6000 posts on a site that aims to promote, "Know The Self, Be Thy Master, it was very disappointing to read that Sharing Lights tendered a government issued driver's license and consented to a search.
Even though each one of us has our own right and reasons for doing such, I just want to express my disappointment the same.
It appears that the tendering and consenting were done out of fear. If this is the case, my prayer is that you may have "the peace that passes understanding" in Christ Jesus.

[Sharing Lights]

[ezrhythm]First of all, Thank You for sharing and congratulations to you for remaining calm and unfearful during this experience.

I am glad that calmness vs. confrontation and the presence of opposing force
with superior "bargaining power" in total "adhesion" is noticed.

I had to negate their strong point - the unchecked power
with my power point - strong Spirit, in the mode -

Yes, I proceeded in "yin" mode at that encounter,
using

(+ 100 and - 100 are better than
200 - all in their favor.)

When I saw the title to the thread I began to look forward to reading about "some success" knowing that Sharing Lights has been posting here quite a while.
Having over 6000 posts on a site that aims to promote, "Know The Self, Be Thy Master, it was very disappointing to read that Sharing Lights tendered a government issued driver's license and consented to a search.


You noted that so well -
"Know The Self, Be Thy Master."


That is one of the keys not to proceed by

where your ability to "win" the confrontation is
flexible - not rigid formula,
which may or may not apply.


That flexibility to discern quickly and adopt to
the changing circumstances under pressure
is a crucial skill.
[emphasized]


I always favor the given moment at time over
general direction.


I am respectful to your opinion and glad that you express it without reservations.


I, equally, do not doubt, based on my, personal knowledge and experience
of the described events that "diffusing" was wise and
"confrontation" would have been beyond irresponsible.

..................

[Sharing Lights]

THE BIGGER PICTURE:

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/articl...keteering.html

I may appear as a potential witness with the Consumers in
No 1 corrupt Court in the Nation: Kings County
Civil Court of New York, where self-represented
and their Right are abused in a grinding and polished fashion, whereas
"road blocks" are utilized on every level encountered.

which
"assaulted" People's Rights even
before they get a chance to see a judge.

Armed Court Officers were harassing the PEOPLE and their Agent already -
all witnessed.

The Defendant-female was not even allowed to have her documents-defense taken out
from the large briefcase left behind with the other two accompanying
individuals and was precluded from relying on them when Jonathan Kingston -
ESQUIRE was contradicting that record in her possession,
as well as BS-ing so quickly that she could not understand some of it to even respond.

Notice that the judge allowed that to go on.


Whatever the Consumers understood and tried to answer was, unilaterally,
interrupted by the lawyer.

Judge allowed that, while when the Consumer objected, she was interrupted
and even harassed by the armed guards.

That was not even a hint of a fair fight by all standards.

That was a lynching and slaughter
in a pre-mediated fashion - Kings county style - lawyers-judges-guards
DE-rail PRO SE.

The Consumers defense was written and submitted timely.

That was clear.


The judge was given the file only a few minutes before she began
the Hearing and read no contents of it, except of headings.

How could she possibly rule non-arbitrarily, then?


The defendant-female was, purposely, separated and
psychologically intimidated by all three sides -

in conflict of interest and violations of Due Process of
WE ARE THE PEOPLE, who were, almost,
cut thin by the corruption knife of the indecent triangle into
I AM THE ONE, LONELY, AND ABUSED.

Just think about all that and what, practically, every
self-represented litigant in that court is subjected to
so viscously.


If you or any one may believe that I would concentrate on a small issue,
considering the so much bigger panorama of the abuse that we are exposing
when, finaly, have the Consumers-Agent who are
willing to go forward - I, respectfully, dissent.


Welfare of thousands and thousands of Human Beings is
much more important to me than
"eating not-so nutritious food" thrown at me by the PO.


Even though each one of us has our own right and reasons for doing such, I just want to express my disappointment the same.
It appears that the tendering and consenting were done out of fear.

Not so. Out of wisdom and only.
My ego or small things do not concern me.

My aim to expose the corruption and
be able to witness
how the Consumers and Agent
are treated - has been more important than
arguing with the PO, particualry when
M&A and Kingston trow their
pathetic and subvert fraud of
the alleged UPL -practicing law without license.


The UPL is pulled when WE ARE THE PEOPLE
have decided to stand up to the corruption and fraud.


I would maintain my course, keeping the aim at sight.


If this is the case, my prayer is that you may have "the peace that passes understanding" in Christ Jesus.


I know you mean well and thank you.

However, being closer to the events, I may have a better overview
of the priorities and what may or may not sacrifice.

I value "gold" more than "change".... as referenced in
non-financial comparison too.

PS. If you look to the Right, my lion and lamb do get along,
whereas, when I must to take my stand -
I would not be moved "even if they roll tanks,"

all balanced by knowing that LIFE and JUSTICE
would emerge even in a desert!

- Sovereignty, Strength, & Tolerance!