My first Success! (dealing with cops and egos)

[artificialsteve]

I have learned that when dealing with "law enforcement officers," it is really really really good to keep your ego to yourself. My very good friend learned the hard way, and I succeeded in using some of my know-how correctly. -artificialsteve

Well there we were, my friend and I, sitting on top of a parking garage just outside of Portland State Univ. We were partaking in some 'herbs', if you know what I mean:) The time was flying, and amidst all of the good conversation, we failed to notice 2 patrol cars creepin' up.
This was not only a buzz-kill, but we had all of our stash/stuff+glass 'tobacco pipe' right there. (sloppy i know) there was no time to run, or to foolishly start hiding stuff. I could've swore my heart stopped.
Well Officer A comes up to us and said something generic like, "What are we doing here, fellas?" Obviously, he had us both red-handed.
I did not reply. Then officer B asked us both for the usual big-brother membership cards aka "State issued licenses and all of that." Neither of us needed and/or possessed one at the time, so we couldn't furnish it to Officer B. Officer B was getting a bit short fused.
Then another patrol car pulls up, and believe me, I was scared.

This is where it really starts to get cool though. Officer A asked me who I was. I replied with my answer(I stated-and spelled my PROPER ENGLISH NAME. . After that, EVERY SINGLE QUESTION they asked me, I KINDLY responded with a derivative of: "I understand you are trying to do your job, but I cannot make a legal determination about what you are asking me." That was all I said after they asked me to empty my bag, pockets, and shoes. I said the same thing when they asked me if I had been drinking, and then when they asked me if I had any "controlled substances with me."

My friend, however, was still arguing about "facts" and "laws." These officers quickly seized upon the chance to finally have one of us in their contracts, and I quickly sensed that my friend was now being cuffed. I have still not seen or heard from him. He sat in the police cruiser, yelling and trying to figure out why he hadn't been spared. I just sat there, not showing any emotion whatsoever. Then Officer C, B, and A all went to have a pow-ow. They all approached me. One of them said I was going to be searched. I replied, "I understand you are trying to do your job, but I cannot make a legal determination about what you are asking me." The officer searched me anyway, and I said very loudly "I DO NOT CONSENT TO THIS UNLAWFUL SEARCH and I am doing this OUT OF FEAR ONLY."
Again, I was NOT rude, nor was I sincere. Officer C replied with: "Where'd you learn that one, on the internet?" He was trying the best way he knew how, to mock me, because I had told them everything they were allowed to hear for free. My NAME!! I never traversed. I never accepted their invitation, and when they forced me to, I responded the best way I knew how, by failing to let myself get emotionally involved. Any of their "facts" about the laws/statutes/codes/oordinances and other fine print things they assumed I would believe in and admit to 'violating' where GIVEN NO CREDIT WHATSOEVER>

I had been thinking, "When you argue with a lunatic, you become a lunatic!" That's it!

Anyway, the officer who had pointed out my previous reply being internet hearsay, was not giving up.
He asked me to tell him my friends name, since my friend had not revealed it. Instead, my friend tried to argue his way out of it, saying, amoung other things: "My name is copyrighted! I'll sue you!" and pointless stuff like that. Which, as we all know, is pretty shaky ground;(.......Well, they whisked him off to jail, with a couple of "drug" charges, not good.


Officer C, turned and to me and finally said: "Well you definitely seem to know your rights." He had COMPLIMENTED ME. Ha! (don't give him an inch, I thought)
i replied with my other default answer that I learned from SuiJuris.net: "IF I AM NOT UNDER ARREST, MAY I GO NOW?"

They didn't answer, but instead asked me if I knew "...whose backpack that is?" (the one with all of the paraphernalia/organic substances, lying on the ground....uuuhh, RIGHT at my feet.
I thought about it for a second, and replied with: "blah blah..............i cannot make a legal determination about what you are asking me, MAY I GO?"

Officer B, after trying to get me to "traverse" over to his version of reality again, simply gave up? Got a call?
Figured I wasn't very good tasting dinner for him, or his family, LET ME GO!!! WITH MY BAG!!!! HA!!! This stuff IS REAL. But, I believe it is best to always be on guard. Take your own 'courtroom' anywhere you go. AND DON"T OFFER 2 incriminate yourself, aka(kill the ego)

I went to Stark St. and got stoned after that, wondering if I was an idiot, or a genius.
Thank god I wasn't in jail on possession charges, intent to sell charges, trespassing charges, and who knows what else. Why do the police always take the fall? Why aren't all of these code-breakers directing their energy to the real bastards, the ones in the court, and the perpetuators of all of this "tried-and-true" Paytriot freedom-fried "thats the way it is. son" I don't think the cops would react so quickly and violently if they had nothing to argue about, don't you?

thank you suijuris, for never assuming that there is any 'one way that works every time' This is never going to be a reality, folks. be adaptable. ok i'm done. Time to go read "UCC plain talk".

[Akira-]

Take your own 'courtroom' anywhere you go.

The initial confrontation with police IS your triial...

Excellent work!

and to get out of there with your "bag"... too funny !

[rottweiler]

Good job, now quit smoking pot. If you have to get buzzed twice a day you are abusing it.

[artificialsteve]

Originally Posted by rottweiler

Good job, now quit smoking pot. If you have to get buzzed twice a day you are abusing it.

It's interesting to note that I never admitted to 'owning' the pot, and since the cops had not recieved one confession from me besides my name, perhaps they figured I wasn't worth their time. They were not stupid, they knew there was some in the backpack.....I have always held on to the unpopular belief that if you are not infringing upon the life, liberty, or property of another real human, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT!!!!!
Think of the possibilities! Just for a moment if you will.

[redy2fiyt]

Originally Posted by artificialsteve

I have always held on to the unpopular belief that if you are not infringing upon the life, liberty, or property of another real human, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT!!!!!

Nice work kid. Looks like you did your reading. Always good to hear a success story.

Now the challenge is, do you try to apply your knowledge and help out your friend?

[rottweiler]

True, but a word to the wise, don't be a slave to it.

Originally Posted by artificialsteve

I have always held on to the unpopular belief that if you are not infringing upon the life, liberty, or property of another real human, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT!!!!!
Think of the possibilities! Just for a moment if you will.

[aksis]

That is a great success story.


Much Love,

Christopher Theodore: Rhodes

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[ezrhythm]

Congratulations and Thank You so much for sharing that experience. This forum was WAY overdue for another success story.

[artificialsteve]

"When FDA allows poisoning in forms of cheap additives and substitutes
of real ingredients to cause slow cancer and mutate much of the population
that is acceptable."

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I really gotta give you props for this statement!!