taking the pink pill-- then what?

Hi there, I have some questions about the individual sovereign's quality of life once he or she has unplugged. They're very basic questions, so I apologize in advance if this information is provided elsewhere in a faq.

Once you reclaim your state citizenship, is it one court appearance after another? Is there ever resolution?

Does everyone start out the same, filing a commerical affidavit? Are there different ways and means to get there, or is it pretty much the same for everyone?

Can you get a job after you do this without using a SSN? If so, what kind of jobs can a person get? Can you attend a university?

Can you get utilities and phone service? What are the unexpected hardships in day to day living?

Is it worth the hassle? Would you do it again given the choice?

I see from reading the posts that there are many brave and inspiring patriots amongst you who have already embarked on this endeavor.

I admire your courage!

Thanks,

Zoney

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by zoney

Once you reclaim your state citizenship, is it one court appearance after another?

Since States are intentionally misfiling the paperwork 7/or Not followin proper proc., it is an area yet to be explored. Herre in Florida, the Jennings group is constantly going to the capitol to get them to realize State citz.

Originally Posted by zoney

Is there ever resolution?

There are small victories. It's kinda like digging out of jail with a spoon. But there are no silver bullets. You have sadistic tyrants who want to profit off of the backs of their slaves. You don't enter in to this expecting to win. Most of it just winds up being damage control which is keeping your contact w/ them to a minimum & protecting your life & property.

Originally Posted by zoney

Does everyone start out the same, filing a commerical affidavit?

I wished I started that way. Alot of us have started with the IRS, & then learn alot along the way. I started filing "0" returns-----BAD IDEA. They are getting hip to some of the Comm Aff. approaches, though.

Originally Posted by zoney

Are there different ways and means to get there, or is it pretty much the same for everyone?

Unlike eternal salvation in Yeshua, there are many paths to get there.

Originally Posted by zoney

Can you get a job after you do this without using a SSN?

I want to destroy mmy ss# & terminate any contract. I am working a couple ideas out. famguardian.org has some good stuff for this, too.I believe you can get a job if you do it right.

Originally Posted by zoney

If so, what kind of jobs can a person get? Can you attend a university?

I believe you can get any job, except a gov. job. With college, I don't think you can get gov handouts(welfare).

Originally Posted by zoney

Can you get utilities and phone service?

I'm not aware of any sovereign having their utilities cut off because of IRS, SS, or citizenship issues.

Originally Posted by zoney

What are the unexpected hardships in day to day living?

Tons of paperwork & visits to the law library.If I had a family, I would be a nuisance.

Originally Posted by zoney

Is it worth the hassle?

I go through phases, but I feel the Lord has called me out into this, & I rely on His divine guidance & protection as much as I can deny my flesh.

Originally Posted by zoney

Would you do it again given the choice?

I would, but on a different foot.

Originally Posted by zoney

I see from reading the posts that there are many brave and inspiring patriots amongst you who have already embarked on this endeavor.I admire your courage!
Thanks, Zoney

It's a tough job, but someone has got to do it. Thank you, Zoney. We get alot of flack from our family, friends, jobs, churches, etc..... & we need to hear a good word of encouragement.Your approach is the best I've seen. Keep reading, searching, seeking wise council, etc.... before you make ANY decisions.

--Weis

I gotta respond, if just to keep my post count higher than Weis's.

The pink pill is PROZAC. Do NOT take it.

Take the red one, and you will see the way open up in front of you if you want it to.

Seriously,

You cannot do all of this stuff overnight, but if you learn and apply, you CAN be free.

HB

[scottinalaska]

WP,

THanks for addressing each of Z's questions, but I must chime in here too.
Done over again, I would still take the red pill. My headaches with the IRS is paperwork intensive, and my organization skills stink. Here is where I would change though:
Do NOT do battle with the IRS during the first year you learn this stuff. File like a good little sheep and get a plan. No funny business like a zero return(yup, me too, WP) or a request for return of monies paid, etc. Simply send nothing or better yet, a statement in explaining with your reasoning why a 1040 will not be forthcoming. I believe they really really want a statement, so give them one. BUT make sure that you are grounded well...not to argue, but to know WHO you are. AND get your filing system in order. When you send anything in(certified mail at the very least), label those receipts and green cards with some kind of words,dates, codes so you know what correspondence they correspond too. Believe me, you will accumulate stacks of these and begin to wonder what one belonged where! That way when you communicate in the future, and you will, you include your honorable proofs of correspondences.
Let's see, one more thing: As excited as you may be about some new truth, hesitate to share with EVERYone. You need to live in the matrix without being completely written off. If you are married, watch the the movie, the Matrix together and ask which pill would either of you take. At least that will begin some discussion. But frankly, it's those nasty IRS letters that cause the most strife in my household. Let's just say, my wife has learned to turn more and more over to God in prayer. I just don't want to turn over any more to the vIpeRS.
There are some thoughts, Zoney. Welcome.
Scott

Web presense indicates sovereign movement interest and activities in just about every corner of humanity-- the diversity of those who are waking up is fascinating and inspiring.

A few months ago I googled "sovereign movement" and ended up on the anti defamation league website. Their definition of the "token sovereign" --Terry Nichols-- is clearly warped and one dimensional. There are native americans, anarchists, libertarians, greens, christians, pagans, gnostics, birchers, freepers, tree huggers, farmers, seekers, hunters, conservatives, progressives-- too many to name depending on how you would want to break it down --that is what gives this movement strength and also what scares the crap out of THEM.

The corporatist regime would love for us to think the sovereigns are "paper terrorists" --neo-nazis and racists-- when it fact many are people of color, have same sex domestic partners, or are in some other way non-traditional (e.g., FLDS families with multiple wives, pot smokers/hemp farmers, etc.).

I am glad there is a space here for people to share their success stories.

Thanks again for sharing your experiences. I look forward to learning a lot more about all of this.

Zoney

[Jerseee]

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[Jerseee]

Zoney,

do what you need to do for personal freedom. Learn definitions and meanings to words. Know who is being addressed and know your strawman but don't live like him.

Your battles are all fictional--only you can bring them into reality by ACCEPTING their accusations as truth.

make your accusor prove their claim against you.

Give freely (information and time) and expect nothing in return.

Nothing replaces good clean living.

Hold you adversary to the same standards that you are trying to be held to.

Don't burn bridges if you don't have a boat.

Demand certified verification no matter what response you get other than what you demanded.

Hug and kiss your wife/husband/significant other and/or children everyday

take deep breaths when needed

Never Argue about and alleged debt

You were born free and sovereign, there is no document that can free you--if you know in your mind that you are already free and sovereign who can say otherwise

Recognize where the burden of proof should lie and you will recognize where liberty and justice should lie

Keep things in perspective


there is so much more that I have learned but this is just a tad that I can impart on your journey to personal freedom.

Originally Posted by Jerseee

You were born free and sovereign, there is no document that can free you--if you know in your mind that you are already free and sovereign who can say otherwise

This is really the crux of the matter.

Thanks Jerseee!

HB