Newbie Day in Court

[Bird]

haKeem:


Congrats...& I suggest ordering the transcript for educational purposes for&yourself and others.

[Jerseee]

Good idea! It is sort of like a trophy.

[hAKEEM]

Yes your driving liscense name is in Capital letters making you a fictious person, enity or what ever you call it,


My name is Derek Latimer Sitton or Derek Sitton, Latimer choose one and always sign that way I use the second but on my liscense it states SITTON,DEREK LATIMER which is and error and i gave the liscense back and said you mispell my name thats not me. DMV replies this is how the system does it. I say sorry but it is in all Capital letters making me a fictiuos person and&if I am going to place my name and be bound by this agrrement than you need my correct spelling of my&name. DMV says Im sorry we cant change it& this is the system so I say sure and sign Derek Sitton, Latimer right under neath(without prejudice)&UCC-1-207


She says what do this mean. I say well you are forcing me to except the spelling of my name incorrect, and lie on a state application&which I think is a major crime(just said it that way).&so inorder to protect my-self and&rights this is how I will sign. She&says so what as long as your name is sign. So I got in on with out a long dispute.


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Just sum it up it was longer than that but I got it on so If I am stop for something not implying to break the law but hopefully the cop will notice it and if not see him in court

[nralien]

hAKEEM

I was under the impression that a person could simply write "Without Prejudice" (leaving UCC etc. off) and that would be sufficient to secure your common law rights.

Does the UCC 1-207 give it any additional power?

nralien

From my understanding, it would give it "additional power" being that it sites commercial/contract code by adding ucc 1-207.

[dochand]

Won't let you sign that way in NY.

Tried it last time I was up for renewal and they kicked it right back at me and said that the only way I could sign is 'just' my name.

So, I said 'okay' and then added it to the license after I received it from the DMV.

Don't know if it would hold up as the 'official' digital signature on file at the DMV does not have the UCC 1-207, without prejudice notation.

Just as a thought for anyone out there - Is there any precedent that anyone knows that could be cited to force them to accept the notation along with the signature?

As always, thanx for the research info!

Doc

couldn't you just assert "that is my signature."


the burden of proof would be upon them to say it is not.


jon

[hAKEEM]

I got mine sign that way, I guess the clerk was tired and diddnt care but im sure. Next time it will be harder. Ok update.& Dont know if it is true but was told if you dont drive a bus or truck (car pool) you dont need a liscense but once you transport passengers(bus, truck) car pool or transport someone who has a DRIVER liscense than you are required to have one. Lawyer told me I won b/c I had no passengers with liscense or job that requires a liscense at the time I was stop by the Police but he also stated just reclaim your right& meaning UCC-1-207 you must if not you are under the law. Now business are stating you need a driver liscense to work for them just another scheme. Once you are redeem I was told you could not do business with a fiction something like that you can but once you do you contract your rights away thats the only way we loose our rights is by CONTRACT.


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Recently I did a test. Register.com has a program i sign my name two ways. Without prejudice ucc 1-207 with my name and my name with out it.& They deny my application with ucc 1-207 but excepted the other.& Same thing happen with other sources. They understand Contracts and ucc. We just have to be wise as a serpant. my next step is to resign my bank cards

[nralien]

Has anyone had any recent experience with signatures and the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) in California?

nralien

[Ice]

It's funny how they always want your signature... but then they want to tell you HOW to sign your signature.& I guess "this is my signature and it wouldn't be my signature if I did it any other way" doesn't work?


Kind of insane... isn't it?& If you have other cards or do***ents in your possession that contain your signature... wouldn't that be proof that it IS your signature?


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