$37,000 "debt" is gone.

[u2scsi]

Definitely need to read up on this. I find very few articles on r4c on any of the internet search engines. Are you required to explain why said papers are refused, ie lacking information to verify a legitimate complaint, lacking evidence of accused default, etc?

[Bulletproof Monk]

[quote= Nice moves!!! I got ticked in west Virginia but have been on the road for 21 days so i guess my time has expired to challange their presentments.....QUOTE]

I've also experienced this, and what I did was to date it when I received it, with the reply/post date within 72 hours from that, and it's seemed to work fine, unless of course they've already got judgement.

Regardless of what Judge Roy Bean says, I've managed to get myself out of $4000 "debt", a friend out of $37,000 "debt", one guy out of court for a drunk and disorderly charge, and a traffic ticket or two..so I have to say the proof of claim system does work.

If he lets me, I'll post the statement from the bank that shows his balance as zero and account closed, when it was originally more than -$37,000k.

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[Bulletproof Monk]

Originally Posted by u2scsi

So if one is served papers, you bring that back to the clerk, and have them time/date stamp it and get a copy back for your records. You write nothing on it other than the date it was received? I'll have to try that if I'm served again.

All I do is staple a letter to the presentment/claim with the date received/date replied, their details, their reference number, with a title of NOTICE OF CONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE and the one line, "Your negotiable instrument has been accepted for value upon proof of claim and returned WITHOUT DISHONOUR." and take the lot back to the register (maybe clerk is the same thing in the US) and ask for it to be stamped, and could I please have a copy.

That's it!

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[powder]

Originally Posted by Bulletproof Monk

All I do is staple a letter to the presentment/claim with the date received/date replied, their details, their reference number, with a title of NOTICE OF CONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE and the one line, "Your negotiable instrument has been accepted for value upon proof of claim and returned WITHOUT DISHONOUR." and take the lot back to the register (maybe clerk is the same thing in the US) and ask for it to be stamped, and could I please have a copy.

That's it!

BULLETPROOF

I use the postal clerk(s). They know me by name and are more than willing to stamp documents for me.

I presume the key is to have an independant third party witness - evidenced by the stamp.

[tmdasmith04]

Bulletproof Monk,

What types of services do you provide and what do you charge?

Thanks,
tmdasmith04

QUOTE=Bulletproof Monk]Hi everyone. Back after 10 months of intensive training and doing what I've been talking about.

As a result I've successfully helped a friend of mine with his $37,000 credit card debts, including a bank loan from BankSA for $30k. He recently recieved a statement showing his balance as ZERO, and a letter saying he had no more debt. Needless to say he was very pleased.

Some of you may have read my earlier posts, and I must apologise for any misleading information, but I was often misled myself.

The only way to fight is not to argue. Let me make this very clear for all of the beginners out there so you don't get into trouble like I have. I'm fine by the way.

Conditional acceptance, you've all heard or done it, so here's the facts:

When you get a presentment or wish to reply to a debt collector, remember they are creating controversy.

It's the same in a court room, the judge is wanting you to "join" and get juristiction otherwise it's all heresay.

I got stopped by a traffic cop in Adelaide the other day, and he said "you were speeding", I said "If that's your claim". He showed me his camera, and I said "That's a nice camera", he wrote me a ticket and I promptly went home and typed a reply, "Your negotiable instrument has been accepted for value upon proof of claim and returned WITHOUT DISHONOUR." Stapled it to it and sent it back. After all it's his cheque, and I'm the bank, and I'm not paying if there's no account.

As for the credit card debts, I applied the same rules, but this time in the negative: "I have not seen or been presented with any material, fact or evidence which demonstrates that (attachment 1 ) has not established the record that the debtor and the creditor are two different people." etc etc. After a while, they sell the debt because they cannot substantiate it, and you get a letter from the collector (the buyer). I wrote the same one liner and never heard from them again. Then do the follow up with a notary protest and close the book.

But always remember in every situation there are presumptions: "Are you going to pay the fine or not?"...presumes there is a controversy. You need to rebutt the presumption. It's the unknown 3rd option.

I accept your offer to get me to explain anything upon proof of claim you have juristiction over the matter pending and upon proof of claim there's a controversy before the court. But of course, you don't need to go to court...there is no spoon.

Once a document becomes public, as in a court order/hearing/presentment, you can take it down to the register of the court, and have them stamp it for the records, and it's squashed. They didn't get your entry into the controversy, so it's a misjoinder. The guys at the counter won't understand what you're doing, because they're not taught it, so don't bother trying to explain. Just walk out smiling.

Most of all, remember, it's a private resolution/remedy and it needs to be done within 72 hours of reciept or it passes into the public realm. Make sure you date it at the top, when recieved, and the reply/posted date.

Lastly always send mail registered post ($3.50) with delivery confirmation (extra $1.75) or person to person (extra $5.50). That's your evidence of date they recieved.

So far I've helped 2 people out of having to go to court, and have nullified over $40,000 in "debts." This system does work if you know how, so get your facts right, and never, never argue. Honour, not dishonour wins.

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[Gray]

Originally Posted by powder

I use the postal clerk(s). They know me by name and are more than willing to stamp documents for me.

I presume the key is to have an independant third party witness - evidenced by the stamp.

Yes, 3rd party witness, and in both cases they are crown-related; the court and the post office. In essence they are agents. And implies the caveat "notice to the agent is notice to the principal"

Good going.

[charlesa6]

tmdasmith04, welcome to the suijuris forum.

[JFRogers01]

I have just recived a PRE-OFFSET notice for only $2500, going after my Tax refund! I've payed over $48,000 in the last 10yrs and all ways send $ for arrearage payment. My question is the court is over 200 miles away. Do I just have the post office stamp my repsonce letter and mail it Cirtified. Thanks J Rogers

[Bulletproof Monk]

Originally Posted by tmdasmith04

Bulletproof Monk,

What types of services do you provide and what do you charge?

Hi tmdasmith04

I'm sorry, I'm not a lawyer or scam merchant, and not able to give legal advice. I only make suggestions and pass on information to friends and people who really need a hand, and if the cause is honorable...

Having said that, I'd be happy to talk with you about an issue, to the best of my ability.

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[Bulletproof Monk]

Originally Posted by JFRogers01

I have just recived a PRE-OFFSET notice for only $2500, going after my Tax refund! I've payed over $48,000 in the last 10yrs and all ways send $ for arrearage payment. My question is the court is over 200 miles away. Do I just have the post office stamp my repsonce letter and mail it Cirtified. Thanks J Rogers

Hi J.

Doesn't matter where you are in the world, the same process for replying to presentments etc follows.

I just sent two notarised documents to India and New Zealand...!!

Yes the certified mail(registered post here in Australia) is the way to go, using delivery confirmation.

In your responses you may wish to add something like..

"I conditionally accept your offer to have me make payment upon proof of claim that there is any lawful money in circulation that is backed by anything of substance to pay with."

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