Here it is

[SKYGZR]

HR 25, those with "some time on their hands" might want to read the entire thing.

Go here:

http://thomas.loc.gov/

in the Search Box, type in HR 25, select Bill Number,
click search.

For some reason, won't allow a "direct link".

[SKYGZR]

Here it is as a .pdf attached to this post..All Warm and Fuzzy Yet????

[ISAIAH]

Wait, What? Wow.. Why Don't i see Ron Paul in that list?

Is it because he is on the committee or because there is something fundamentally missing/wrong with this bill? (haven't read the entire thing yet)

[David Merrill]

Good call about Ron Paul.

The replacement of the Fed private credit Returns (Income Tax) with a sales tax sounds good and works fine for many European countries. The only complaint is that the taxation is so very high. We will be paying nearly twice the price tag on about anything we purchase and the penalties for keeping what is due are swift and sure upon the shopkeepers.

These countries who have a steep sales tax are enjoying a good lifestyle.

Senator Ron Paul may be fundamentally against the oxymoron about a national sales tax that is controlled individually by the/each State. I don't know why he is not sponsoring it but that is my guess.

This bill from early 2002 is more Paul's style:

http://www.ecclesia.org/forum/images...s/1-HR3812.jpg
http://www.ecclesia.org/forum/images...s/2-HR3812.jpg
http://www.ecclesia.org/forum/images...s/3-HR3812.jpg
http://www.ecclesia.org/forum/images...s/4-HR3812.jpg

But that bill never flew and it never even deserved comment in interviews with Aaron Russo - America; Freedom to Fascism. It is difficult to speculate the reasons for silence on such a noble cause...

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[redy2fiyt]

Lookie what I found under the requirements for a disadvantaged family applying for the monthly tax rebate.

Chapter 3, Section 302:

‘‘(2) IDENTIFICATION 1 REQUIREMENTS.—In
2 order for a person to be counted as a member of the
3 family for purposes of determining the size of the
4 qualified family, such person must—
5 ‘‘(A) have a bona fide Social Security num6
ber; and
7 ‘‘(B) be a lawful resident of the United
8 States.

I'm sure this is slipped in in other places too. No social security number, no tax break. That's convenient.

[ISAIAH]

Originally Posted by redy2fiyt

I'm sure this is slipped in in other places too. No social security number, no tax break. That's convenient.

Well if you want the perks you have to join the club ;)

[redy2fiyt]

Originally Posted by ISAIAH

Well if you want the perks you have to join the club ;)

Or, we could just ignore the club all together since we don't fill the office of "person". From the definitions section of HR 25:

20 ‘‘(7) PERSON.—The term ‘person’ means any
21 natural person, and unless the context clearly does
22 not allow it, any corporation, partnership, limited li23
ability company, trust, estate, government, agency,
24 administration, organization, association, or other
25 legal entity (foreign or domestic.)

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm not a natural person in the context used therein. I am a flesh and blood man, not a ficticious entity. Therefore, this resolution, does not apply to me and neither does the current tax code. At least, that's the theory. Walking the talk (especially with the tax code), is a whole 'nother story.

[rentiap]

Originally Posted by redy2fiyt

Or, we could just ignore the club all together since we don't fill the office of "person". From the definitions section of HR 25:

20 ‘‘(7) PERSON.—The term ‘person’ means any
21 natural person, and unless the context clearly does
22 not allow it, any corporation, partnership, limited li23
ability company, trust, estate, government, agency,
24 administration, organization, association, or other
25 legal entity (foreign or domestic.)

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm not a natural person in the context used therein. I am a flesh and blood man, not a ficticious entity. Therefore, this resolution, does not apply to me and neither does the current tax code. At least, that's the theory. Walking the talk (especially with the tax code), is a whole 'nother story.

Hi Gabe;
I'm glad to see that you get the distinction between a natural person and someone who is flesh and blood.
Unlike some others on this forum who refuse to see the difference
You are correct that this resolution nor the tax code applies to you or me.
Never has and never will unless you accept it to be.

I see this resolution to be even worse than the current Income tax code.
At least with the current Income tax code it makes people mad as hell and are willing to fight against the unlawfulness of armed robbery.
No matter if a tax is legalized by the constitution.
If we were to make an amendment to the constitution that it was OK to take someone and rape them.
Would it then be OK?
But it's in an amendment! Therefore it would make it justified.
YEAH RIGHT!
Well just because taxes are in the constitution doesn't make taxes right or justified either.

If we are to call ourselves a free people
and teach our children that they are free,
the method of funding must not be
through taxation, as "taxation" is nothing
but a euphemism for armed robbery.
Therefore, the means by which we
fund our government must be a
voluntary means!


Instead of replacing the current tax system with a flat tax or a VAT or any other type of tax.
Why not get rid of taxes all together. Not just the income tax!!!!!

You may be asking well how can we do that?

Take a look at the solution as attached.

[redy2fiyt]

Originally Posted by rentiap

If we are to call ourselves a free people
and teach our children that they are free,
the method of funding must not be
through taxation, as "taxation" is nothing
but a euphemism for armed robbery.
Therefore, the means by which we
fund our government must be a
voluntary means!


Instead of replacing the current tax system with a flat tax or a VAT or any other type of tax.
Why not get rid of taxes all together. Not just the income tax!!!!!

You may be asking well how can we do that?

Take a look at the solution as attached.

Thanks Ren.

With the help of you and a few others on this forum(Weis, Charles, Akira, and Codee), I have found enough information to truly understand the office of "PERSON".

I had previously heard of "From Freedom to Facism", but didn't get a chance to view the film. Now, I agree that funding should be voluntary, but is is plausable for the government to be the sole source of lending and interest collection? I would think so, but I'm sure the credit card companies will show their dissent.

Here is the issue for all to ponder: If funding is voluntary, and the majority does not want to contribute, then how will we pay for the roads that we now use, the capital improvement projects, the storm drain systems, sewer systems, etc.?

Just food for thought. Perhaps that specific question should be placed in its own thread?

[rentiap]

Originally Posted by redy2fiyt

Thanks Ren.

With the help of you and a few others on this forum(Weis, Charles, Akira, and Codee), I have found enough information to truly understand the office of "PERSON".

I had previously heard of "From Freedom to Facism", but didn't get a chance to view the film. Now, I agree that funding should be voluntary, but is is plausable for the government to be the sole source of lending and interest collection? I would think so, but I'm sure the credit card companies will show their dissent.

Here is the issue for all to ponder: If funding is voluntary, and the majority does not want to contribute, then how will we pay for the roads that we now use, the capital improvement projects, the storm drain systems, sewer systems, etc.?

Just food for thought. Perhaps that specific question should be placed in its own thread?

Your welcome Gabe!
At first glance it looks like the solution that is attached is From Freedom to Fascism.
But at a closer look you can see that it says
*From Fascism to Freedom* brochure.

As it so clearly states in the brochure

All we need to do to fix the problem is
to have the ownership of the Federal
Reserve taken over by the PEOPLE,
while keeping the operation as distant
from Congress as it currently is under
private ownership.
That is, the Board of Governors of the
Federal Reserve must remain in place,
doing the same job it does now, but do-
ing it for the People of the United States
instead of for the Fed's current private
owners!
The reason private ownership is the
cause of the problems is simply because
under private ownership, all of the inter-
est collected on loans goes to the private
owners of the Fed.
Under the solution presented here, the
interest will, instead, be credited to the
Treasury of the United States govern-
ment, to be used instead of taxation
(armed robbery) to pay for all of the gov-
ernment programs currently funded by
means of armed robbery.
The solution is as simple as that! .

Here is the issue for all to ponder: If funding is voluntary, and the majority does not want to contribute, then how will we pay for the roads that we now use, the capital improvement projects, the storm drain systems, sewer systems, etc.?

Computations were done a few years ago.
And it was figured out that the money taken in interest by the private banksters that goes into their own pockets and is not put back into circulation is SIX TIMES that which is taken in by ALL TAXES!!That's all taxes not just income tax but ALL taxes.
Did I say ALL TAXES!!