IRS writes back!

[scottinalaska]

After years of responding to the vIpeRS's letters asking/begging/ me to sign to say I owe and telling me I owe, they finally respond to one of my letters. They don't address anything, but they do write back. Here is the text:

We previously sent you a letter concerning you inquiry recieved Dec. 18, 2006[some of it is copied below for your edutainment]. Although we try to respon quicklyy, extensive research is often required. At this time we are unable to provide a complete response because:

Due to heavy workload, we have not yet completed our research to resolve you inquiry.

Please allow an additional 45 days for us to obtain the information we need and to let you kjnow aht action we are taking.
If you have any questions....

That's it. My question would be if I should give any response. I mean if I don't respond, does this mean I am giving their company jurisdiction to determine who I am by allowing them to bend their own rules? Just looking for some thoughts here.
Scottinalaska

original complaint:
Here is a clip of what I sent them. Actually, for the past couple of years, this is usually included:

I demand that the IRS ceases and desists from any further attempts to separate me from my money until we meet in an Examination/Administrative Hearing or in court.

The Individual Master File is the sole legal file the IRS keeps on individuals in America. I have discovered a number of fraudulent details in my file, and a series of illegal actions against me based on this fraudulent information. I respectfully request evidence that my BODC designation, which we both know claims I am a NOT an individual but a business is inaccurate. Please provide evidence that I am not using my true SSN, or that someone else is using my SSN as my IMF states. If this were true, it would be a felony, punishable by a large fine and by time in jail.
The attached letter is a CP letter with 3 digits. Please provide evidence that this can apply to me when it is by the IRS’s own rules, a letter to be mailed only to a business and NOT an individual.

You have received innumerable requests from me to correct or clarify your information as evidenced by my certified mail receipts, [Attachment B]. Yet I have yet to receive to ANY response from you or your office.

I am requesting additional documents under the Freedom of Information Act, documents that will explain, among other things, what seems to be a claim on the part of the IRS that I am involved in a manufacturing business. Please provide me evidence of this alleged activity.

[RICKO]

Originally Posted by scottinalaska

After years of responding to the vIpeRS's letters asking/begging/ me to sign to say I owe and telling me I owe, they finally respond to one of my letters. They don't address anything, but they do write back. Here is the text:

We previously sent you a letter concerning you inquiry recieved Dec. 18, 2006[some of it is copied below for your edutainment]. Although we try to respon quicklyy, extensive research is often required. At this time we are unable to provide a complete response because:

Due to heavy workload, we have not yet completed our research to resolve you inquiry.

Please allow an additional 45 days for us to obtain the information we need and to let you kjnow aht action we are taking.
If you have any questions....

That's it. My question would be if I should give any response. I mean if I don't respond, does this mean I am giving their company jurisdiction to determine who I am by allowing them to bend their own rules? Just looking for some thoughts here.
Scottinalaska

original complaint:
Here is a clip of what I sent them. Actually, for the past couple of years, this is usually included:

I demand that the IRS ceases and desists from any further attempts to separate me from my money until we meet in an Examination/Administrative Hearing or in court.

The Individual Master File is the sole legal file the IRS keeps on individuals in America. I have discovered a number of fraudulent details in my file, and a series of illegal actions against me based on this fraudulent information. I respectfully request evidence that my BODC designation, which we both know claims I am a NOT an individual but a business is inaccurate. Please provide evidence that I am not using my true SSN, or that someone else is using my SSN as my IMF states. If this were true, it would be a felony, punishable by a large fine and by time in jail.
The attached letter is a CP letter with 3 digits. Please provide evidence that this can apply to me when it is by the IRS’s own rules, a letter to be mailed only to a business and NOT an individual.

You have received innumerable requests from me to correct or clarify your information as evidenced by my certified mail receipts, [Attachment B]. Yet I have yet to receive to ANY response from you or your office.

I am requesting additional documents under the Freedom of Information Act, documents that will explain, among other things, what seems to be a claim on the part of the IRS that I am involved in a manufacturing business. Please provide me evidence of this alleged activity.

I may not be clear on this but what are they coming after you for?

[charlesa6]

Originally Posted by scottinalaska

After years of responding to the vIpeRS's letters asking/begging/ me to sign to say I owe and telling me I owe, they finally respond to one of my letters. They don't address anything, but they do write back. Here is the text:


We previously sent you a letter concerning you inquiry recieved Dec. 18, 2006[some of it is copied below for your edutainment]. Although we try to respon quicklyy, extensive research is often required. At this time we are unable to provide a complete response because:

Due to heavy workload, we have not yet completed our research to resolve you inquiry.

Please allow an additional 45 days for us to obtain the information we need and to let you kjnow aht action we are taking.
If you have any questions....

That's it. My question would be if I should give any response. I mean if I don't respond, does this mean I am giving their company jurisdiction to determine who I am by allowing them to bend their own rules? Just looking for some thoughts here.
Scottinalaska

original complaint:
Here is a clip of what I sent them. Actually, for the past couple of years, this is usually included:

I demand that the IRS ceases and desists from any further attempts to separate me from my money until we meet in an Examination/Administrative Hearing or in court.

The Individual Master File is the sole legal file the IRS keeps on individuals in America. I have discovered a number of fraudulent details in my file, and a series of illegal actions against me based on this fraudulent information. I respectfully request evidence that my BODC designation, which we both know claims I am a NOT an individual but a business is inaccurate. Please provide evidence that I am not using my true SSN, or that someone else is using my SSN as my IMF states. If this were true, it would be a felony, punishable by a large fine and by time in jail.
The attached letter is a CP letter with 3 digits. Please provide evidence that this can apply to me when it is by the IRS’s own rules, a letter to be mailed only to a business and NOT an individual.

You have received innumerable requests from me to correct or clarify your information as evidenced by my certified mail receipts, [Attachment B]. Yet I have yet to receive to ANY response from you or your office.

I am requesting additional documents under the Freedom of Information Act, documents that will explain, among other things, what seems to be a claim on the part of the IRS that I am involved in a manufacturing business. Please provide me evidence of this alleged activity.

Wait and see what they have in their record before you go any further for responding to their letter. At this point in time you are not given any jurisdiction yet; this is just adminstrative inquiry about your record info.

[scottinalaska]

Ricko,
They are after me for the same thing they are after everyone for: More Money.
I haven't filed for 7 years. Now they think I am in a taxable activity. I am not. I am thus not a taxpayer. I also don't approve of stealing.
The IRS has a problem with this. They change the word for stealing to withholding and other delightful words.
Is that clearer?
This kind of letter doesn't ask me to mail them money, so I am tempted to just ignore it.

[weishaupt1776]

Scott, I am not trying to be a party pooper, but some freinds of mine right here in town did the whole "top secret IMF decoding voodoo", brought it to an appeal/exam/CDPH

The moment they brought up the errors in the IMF, the appeals officer shut it down and said that is "frivolous" and then proceeded to levy his ass off

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by scottinalaska

Ricko,
They are after me for the same thing they are after everyone for: More Money.
I haven't filed for 7 years. Now they think I am in a taxable activity. I am not. I am thus not a taxpayer. I also don't approve of stealing.
The IRS has a problem with this. They change the word for stealing to withholding and other delightful words.
Is that clearer?
This kind of letter doesn't ask me to mail them money, so I am tempted to just ignore it.

I haven't filed for almost ten years. However, you may achieve better results if you put most of your energy into making yourself levy resistant. Hint, don't keep much in the bank. There are other things that you may want to look into. Fortunately, the IRS often have their hands full with bigger fish.

Many of the IRS' letters are not even signed, what a load of crap. They will not hear most of what you have to say, and may hit with a huge penalty (up to $25,000) if you try go to tax court.

[scottinalaska]

Thus, we must not even get into an appeal. Does not an appeal grant jurisdiction? We are in effect asking them their opinion about what they decided.
When I get the letter that says if I disagree, I must fill out this appeal form and sign, I write them a separate letter stating that I do not wish to appeal because the complaint hasn't even been filed properly, etc. So far so good.
But we all know, and if not yet, will eventually know that the best crafted letters are ultimately ignored.
Victories don't come easy here. I'd rather avoid this battle and call THAT a win. But unfortunately, I have fed the beast and he wants more.
Discouraging, but I thank you for the dose of reality, Weis. Any more info on that unfortunate case?
scottinalaska

[scottinalaska]

Bobt,
As for levy proof, the bank account always has little in it.
BUT my house and 50 acres seems rather vulnerable. So I put my dad on as huge lienholder with the "county." Hopefully this means the IRS would have to wait in line AFTER my dad and thus make it look not worth their while.
I have a release of lein in my desk at home already notarized.
Am I deceiving myself, really?
scott

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by scottinalaska

Bobt,
As for levy proof, the bank account always has little in it.
[...]
Am I deceiving myself, really?
scott

I think you are doing pretty well. You may want to get rid of a few details, in your post, just in case. But the IRS must do a separate judical/court action to get your house. Although, they will more likely put a phoney Notice of Lien on the real estate, to keep you from selling it before paying them.

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by scottinalaska

Hopefully this means the IRS would have to wait in line AFTER my dad and thus make it look not worth their while.
I have a release of lein in my desk at home already notarized.
Am I deceiving myself, really?
scott

I hate to pee in the pool again, scott

But these socialist-programmed public education experiment zoids who work at the county always give the Feds dibs on the lien and "bump" them up on the list
in front of the line

You really would have to do a quit claim and get someone elses name on the property or put it in trust