DOJ After Schultz - Page 2

Shoonra · #11 04-04-2007, 06:59 PM

Not so for federal courts. Schulz is in federal court. The federal courts are closely audited and can't keep fines or other assessments. These are accounted for, and go to the US Treasury.

psholtz · #12 04-05-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoonra

Not so for federal courts. Schulz is in federal court. The federal courts are closely audited and can't keep fines or other assessments. These are accounted for, and go to the US Treasury.

That's what they say about the checks you make out to the IRS too: that they are made out to the US Treasury and that's "where" they go. But if you write on the check language to the effect of "to be endorsed by the US Treasury and no other", it'll bounce..

So clearly IRS is doing something else w/ those checks..

I'm skeptical about the federal courts as well..

David Merrill · #13 04-06-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by psholtz

That's what they say about the checks you make out to the IRS too: that they are made out to the US Treasury and that's "where" they go. But if you write on the check language to the effect of "to be endorsed by the US Treasury and no other", it'll bounce..

So clearly IRS is doing something else w/ those checks..

I'm skeptical about the federal courts as well..

There are two signatures on the front of the $. The Secretary of the Treasury is the US Governor for the IMF - an organ of the United Nations.

Regards,

David Merrill.

mrg · #14 04-06-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by psholtz

Almost all $$ paid into courts ends up in slush funds run by the local judges + magistrates.

Just catch the criminals in the act, and send them to the Fed pen for a nice 20-year holiday.

It's been done before.. it'll be done again.

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Originally Posted by Shoonra

Not so for federal courts.

Schulz is in federal court.

The federal courts are closely audited and can't keep fines or other assessments.

These are accounted for, and go to the US Treasury.

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"Republican Form of Government" prohibits the congress from abridging access to court.

The first amendment article merely clarifies this.

Additionally, capitation is prohibited as are poll taxes...

The judiciary is a republican institution consisting of civil servants obedient to the public for their employment.

If you study Title 28, Chapter 123-Fees and Costs you will find much more than you would suspect about "fees" and their significance that you thought unimportant.

"FEE" comes from "fief" and it is a favor granted for consideration in feudalism which has not held sway here since the king was dethroned.

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TITLE 28 > PART V > CHAPTER 123 > § 1931

§ 1931. Disposition of filing fees

(a) Of the amounts paid to the clerk of court as a fee under section 1914 (a) or as part of a judgment for costs under section 2412 (a)(2) of this title, $190 shall be deposited into a special fund of the Treasury to be available to offset funds appropriated for the operation and maintenance of the courts of the United States.

(b) If the court authorizes a fee under section 1914 (a) or an amount included in a judgment for costs under section 2412 (a)(2) of this title of less than $250, the entire fee or amount, up to $190, shall be deposited into the special fund provided in this section.

Well what do you know?

The money goes into a slush fund!

I wish I could take credit for finding this myself, but I have "borrowed" it, with apologies, from someone far wiser and more knowledgeable than I, and would credit his name, but am not certain he would want his name to appear herein.

Codee · #15 04-06-2007, 05:15 PM

A fee is not a fine. So the phrase “ALL $$” is probably in error.

Shoonra · #16 04-06-2007, 07:13 PM

The court fees, such as filing fees, are intended to defray the expenses of operating the court, so it's not surprising that the fees go into a fund for just that purpose. Not a slush fund, but a very real necessity to keep the courts operating. You'll notice something important: The fee money from each court goes to the Treasury where it's all deposited into a single shared fund, so that a particular court does not get an advantage by charging larger or extra fees. I don't know where you thought the courts get their operating funds -- surely you didn't think that they were entirely supported by tax money from people who, mostly, never used a court.

rottweiler · #17 04-07-2007, 03:55 PM

Black's Law Dictionary 1st Edition

FEE. A freehold estate in lands held of a superior lord, as a reward for services, and on condition of rendering some service in return for it. The true meaning of the word "fee" is the same as that as "feud" or "fief" and in it's original sense it is taken in contradistinction to "allodium" which latter is defined as a man's own land, which he possesses merely in his own right, without owing any rent or service to any superior. 2 Bl. Com. 105 See Wendell v. Crandall 1 N.Y. 491.

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Originally Posted by Shoonra

The court fees, such as filing fees, are intended to defray the expenses of operating the court, so it's not surprising that the fees go into a fund for just that purpose. Not a slush fund, but a very real necessity to keep the courts operating. You'll notice something important: The fee money from each court goes to the Treasury where it's all deposited into a single shared fund, so that a particular court does not get an advantage by charging larger or extra fees. I don't know where you thought the courts get their operating funds -- surely you didn't think that they were entirely supported by tax money from people who, mostly, never used a court.

Notorial dissent · #18 04-07-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ezrhythm

Tell them to "read and certify" the charges. The charges are read and certified at the arraignment, so this is going to get you exactly what?
File a silver surety bond. There is no such thing in either law or fact.
The OMB number on the 1040 form is NOT a valid number. Based on whose hookah dreams and what real evidence?
-Barton Buhtz isn't Buhtzy still sitting in jail waiting for trial???

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Originally Posted by psholtz

But if you write on the check language to the effect of "to be endorsed by the US Treasury and no other", it'll bounce..

Because that is a restrictive endorsement, making it uncashable through the banking system, and even though the check is made out to the Treasury, it has to go through at least one if not more banks before it hits the Fed deposit account of the Treasury. It would have to be done “Payable to the Order of the U S Treasury”.

Shoonra · #19 04-07-2007, 07:14 PM

There's no arraignment in this case. Evidently it's a civil suit to enjoin Schulz and Co. from inciting violation of the revenue laws. Although Schulz belongs in prison, this case is not the one to put him there.

rottweiler · #20 04-07-2007, 07:26 PM

That's funny, I believe Schulz should be given honor and a medal and that you, along with your fellow esquires, should be tried for treason.

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Originally Posted by Shoonra

There's no arraignment in this case. Evidently it's a civil suit to enjoin Schulz and Co. from inciting violation of the revenue laws. Although Schulz belongs in prison, this case is not the one to put him there.