DOJ After Schultz

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

There's no arraignment in this case. Evidently it's a civil suit to enjoin Schulz and Co. from inciting violation of the revenue laws. Although Schulz belongs in prison, this case is not the one to put him there.

I see no reason for the suit, and even less for prison!

Corruption leads to slavery; integrity to freedom. -Cato

[mrg]

Originally Posted by Notorial dissent

Because that is a restrictive endorsement, making it uncashable through the banking system,

Prove it.

and even though the check is made out to the Treasury, it has to go through at least one if not more banks before it hits the Fed deposit account of the Treasury.

Prove it.

It would have to be done “Payable to the Order of the U S Treasury”.

What would have to be done?

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[Shoonra]

Because that is a restrictive endorsement, making it uncashable through the banking system,

Prove it.

and even though the check is made out to the Treasury, it has to go through at least one if not more banks before it hits the Fed deposit account of the Treasury.

Prove it.

It would have to be done “Payable to the Order of the U S Treasury”.

What would have to be done?

The check would have to be written Payable to [the order of] the U.S. Treasury. Any further restriction, on checks that go through several bank processes (to prevent any sort of embezzlement or error) would be kicked out of the system; theoretically such checks might go through, but they'd require such special handling (with concomitant expense) that the govt is justified in rejecting checks that are written contrary to the usual instructions. If you bother to read the UCC on handling of checks you'd see that such an oddball endorsement only complicates matters.

The tax instructions used to say make the checks payable to the I.R.S., which was simple enough ... but then they discovered that (at least) one low-level clerk had set aside some checks and written over the I.R.S. in such a way as to make it look as if it were payable to MRS. Soandso. Having people write out U.S. Treasury reduces that sort of embezzlement.

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

More than a year ago Schulz (no T) announced, with lots of fanfare, that he was daring the feds to come after him for his tax-dodging scheme. Looks like they accepted his challenge.

What tax-dodging scheme? He has been exercising First Amendment Rights. He has been demanding answers from the government, such as why should people pay a tax which doesn't clearly apply to most people, or why the courts appear to disregard the Constitution. In fact, there are a number of Supreme court decisions that seem to support Bob's beliefs.These are some of the questions that Bob, and the WTP organization, have lawfully asked the government, and the people must continue to demand answers to.

Business and design of government are to protect men's natural rights. -Cato

In my view, this is why the issues will not go away.

What good is a Constitution if it is not followed?

Every act [contrary to] a delegated authority...is void. To deny this would affirm that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize but what they forbid. -Hamilton, Federalist No. 78

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Pity of it is that last year he spent about $75000 on slimey attorney Mark Lane for a no-win lawsuit about making the IRS respond in detail to each and every letter. This crashed and burned almost immediately, but Lane kept his retainer. So it's not clear how much money Schulz has left for another court fight.

So far it appears the govt just wants to shut down his tax-dodging promotions; that's a civil matter.

The government refuses to answer Constitutional questions! Yet they are suing him regarding his opinions!This persecution forces Bob to expend great amounts of time, energy, and funds to defend himself and the organization, when it is plainly evident that he is engaged in Constitutionally protected free speech. Hence, the phrase, "'DOJ PUNCHING BAGS - ROBERT L. SCHULZ AND “WE THE PEOPLE'" seems to fit quite well.

Courage is confidence in the face of fear. -Aristotle

Originally Posted by Shoonra

The future may yet hold a criminal prosecution...Although Schulz belongs in prison...

This is an even greater outrage! Where is the criminal intent? Where is the law?

Slavish principles concur with illegal practices. -Hume

You have made this baseless statement several times, where is your support for such flagrant statements? Would you like to go to prison for expressing your views? You know, based on do unto others....

A false conviction convicts the judge of oppression. -Keightley

Bob has raised public awareness regarding Constitutional issues. He is being hampered by government harrassment and tyranny, which is plainly evident in the government's suit.

As usurpation is the exercise of power which another hath a right to, so Tyranny is the exercise of power beyond right, which no body can have a right to. -John Locke

I happen to agree with Bob's opinion. I go out of my way NOT to pay the unConstitutional Income Tax (in the way it is currently enforced). So what, is the government blaming Bob for my, and others, agreement with Bob's views?

Every mind is self owned, and , therefore, that first property; everything else in nature is unowned. Every action caused by a mind - the movement of an arm, the speaking of a word - is owned by that mind. Every liability and every benefit generated by an action accrues to the mind that gave rise to the action. This is the origin of all property, and all liability. -Locke

Emphasis added.

WTF, I haven't filed a 1040 in over nine years, long before I heard of Bob and the WTP organization, Irwin Schiff, suijuris.net, etc.. I just grow tired of the Federal Mafia and the Gestapo-like government we see today. Nevertheless, why should Bob be penalize for my, or others, views?

Common good consists of every member of society retaining as many of his natural rights as possible. -Brutus; I Kurkand

I will continue to support and donate to the WTP.

Every great robber styles as sedition and faction every utterance that subtracts from his admiration, that interrupts his wild and revenous schemes or that attempts to preserve that rights of the people. -Cato

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[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by BOBT12

why should people pay a tax which doesn't clearly apply to most people, or why the courts appear to disregard the Constitution.

Which Constitution, Bob ?

The one prior to the 14th Amendment which was ratified by legislatures populated with State NAtionals & Citizens ?

OR the one Post 14th Amendment in which there is a singular body politic of Federal Citizens who can, by constructive contract; treat those who will not correct their nationality as enemies?

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

Which Constitution, Bob ?

The one prior to the 14th Amendment which was ratified by legislatures populated with State NAtionals & Citizens ?

OR the one Post 14th Amendment in which there is a singular body politic of Federal Citizens who can, by constructive contract; treat those who will not correct their nationality as enemies?

The Constitution with the properly ratified Amendments, properly interpreted. Minus fraud, threats, duress, and coercion that we see today, better known as tyranny.

Consensus facit legem. Consent makes the law

VanHorne's Lessee v. Dorrance, 2 U.S. 304, 2 Dall. 304 (1795):

"What is a Constitution? It is the form of government, delineated by the mighty hand ofthe people, in which certain first principles of fundamental laws are established. The Constitution is certain and fixed; it contains the permanent will of the people, and is the supreme law ofthe land; it is paramount to the power of the Legislature, and can be revoked or altered only by the authority that made it. The life-giving principle and the death-doing stroke must proceed from the same hand. What are Legislatures? Creatures of the Constitution; they owe their existence to the Constitution: they derive their powers from the Constitution: It is their commission; and, therefore, all their acts must be conformable to it, or else they will be void. The Constitution is the work or will of the People themselves, in their original, sovereign, and unlimited capacity. Law is the work or will of the Legislature in their derivative and subordinate capacity. The one is the work ofthe Creator, and the other of the Creature. The Constitution fixes limits to the exercise of legislative authority, and prescribes the orbit within which it must move. In short, gentlemen, the Constitution is the sun ofthe political system, around which all Legislative, Executive and Judicial bodies must revolve. Whatever may be the case in other countries, yet in this there can be no doubt, that every act of the Legislature, repugnant to the Constitution, as absolutely void."

Emphasis added.

The Creature having nothing, and being nothing but what the creator makes him, must owe all to him [the creator], and nothing to anyone from whom he has received nothing. -Sidney

If the people didn't waive their rights Willingly, Knowing, and Voluntarily, then they lawfully retained them. Just like you retain your rights over any stolen property, even if the criminal makes you sign a statement under duress. There's simply no agreement in such a case.

An act is voluntary when it is done according to a man's own power and with knowledge...Everything that is done by reason of ignorance is not voluntary. -Aristotle

Special thanks for the support provided by mrg.

[weishaupt1776]

Unfortunately there is a heavy presumption that you volunteer(ed) into the system.

The 14th Amendment, sec 1 & 2 presumes that you consent to being a naturalized Federal Citizen reduced to being a mere resident (inhabitant) of the state

Such presumption needs to be first rebutted by status correction documentation to the proper agencies with the proper points addressed IN LAW.

If you have a drivers' license, and have not cancelled other documentation which incurs more presumption, then you are presumed to have consented to the status presumption

If you have an FDIC bank account, then you are accepting a Federal Benefit, hence more presumption

If you have not issued formal complaint to the SSA regarding being numbered, then you are presumed to have consented by not objecting

They are getting people on rebuttable presumptions set forth by the 14th Amndmt pursuant to silent judicial notice of the Rules Of Evidence

They are getting people on equity, and at common law:

Invito beneficium non datur. No one is obliged to accept a benefit against his consent. But if he does not dissent, he will be considered as assenting

Read:
Income Tax! Do You Volunteer?

As a result, people who do nothing, assent to be treated like slaves under the defacto POST 1868 Constitution(s), STATE & FED ;by implied contract

[rentiap]

So
A bunch of like minded people get together and decide to make up this club or society for boys because they think it would be a good idea to make things available to teach and do things for boys. And they believe that these boys cannot make decisions for themselves,they cannot think for themselves, somebody must tell them what to do because they are incompetent and cannot tell themselves what to do or how to run their own lives.
And they called this society or club the boy scouts.
And so for this society/club to work they decide that they need to make up laws,codes or statutes for this club for those boys who decide to join that they need to go by.
But this leader of this club decides because there are not enough boys joining this club he decides that everyone must join this club when they come of age, let's say age 11.
There may out of ignorance or because they were threatened or under duress or somehow coerced and without being fully informed of all consequences,(But most when they attended the governmentally run indoctrination centers that they were forced to attend, were just flat lied to) some people when they turn age 11 join this club.
But most are going to just laugh at this leader.Correct?

But if you have willingly volunteered into the servitude of this society/club after being fully informed of all consequences, sit down shut up, pay your dues, and do as you are told.
And when the high council of this society/club makes new rulings or decisions,
because you have volunteered into this society/club ,yes you are bound to go by those decisions made by this high council.

But if you have not volunteered into this society/club then you are not bound by any of these decisions,statutes,laws,rules.Or anything that this council has to say


What if when your mother was pregnant and was attending one of these boy scout functions called the boy scout jamboree.
And when she was there she birthed this baby.
Would that baby automatically be a boy scout? What if that baby was a girl?

Am I making any sense here?
Is this simple enough?

Now change this fictional entity/society/club the Boy scouts, to the fictional entity known as the United States Government and their fictional entity members known as a citizen=slave.

Bob Shulz has yet to recognize that he is a member to this society/club known as the United States and is a citizen=slave member of that fictional entity.
He has not shown that he is not a 14th amendment citizen (He has in fact agreed that he is a citizen)so therefore he is being an insolent slave.
He needs to shut up and pay his share of the public debt as is shown in the 4th article of the 14th amendment.Because he somehow believes that the constitution applies to him

[BOBT12]

In the final analysis, the people never waived their right to act according to their conscience. The people are free to follow the laws of their Creator!

Conscience is an internal tribunal present in every man -Durant

Originally Posted by rentiap

Bob Shulz has yet to recognize that he is a member to this society/club known as the United States and is a citizen=slave member of that fictional entity.

Thus, Bob didn't volunteer. This why he is standing up and expressing his views, and taking action in support of his convictions.

We must all stand on our conscience.

Common Law of fundamental Rights...are not to be altered by the Legislative Authority or free Assembly...under what pretense of allegation soever. - I Kurland

[Shoonra]

I'm not quite sure how your conscience squares with living in the US, under its protection and accessible to its services, and yet refuse to do your share to sustain the cost of government. Maybe your conscience will be content when you are in prison for tax evasion and the quality of the food and furnishings reflects the willingness of others to pay their taxes.

People who are born in the US or who might be born elsewhere but are residing inside the US are legally expected to pay income tax. If you want to opt out, it's not enough to simply deadbeat your taxes -- you have to leave the US and, once outside the US, renounce your citizenship according to a procedure specified in federal law. Then you can stop paying US taxes. Lots of luck finding another industrialized, free, country with lower taxes.