This Years 1040 Form Invalid

[Shoonra]

The form 1040 has used the same OMB number since the Paperwork Reduction Act became effective more than 20 years ago, and since it is obvious (even you take SFBFKADVP's word that it expired in 2006 instead of my report that the Federal Register in Dec. 2006 showed it was renewed) that this number has been repeatedly renewed at appropriate intervals since then. So clearly the law does not require a different number for successive editions of the same questionnaire.

As for the court decisions, they fell into at least 2 piles:
(1) Since the Internal Revenue Code requires tax returns (from a substantial portion of the population) and it authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury to prescribe the form, the court didn't care whether the OMB was correct or even if it existed because it wasn't going to allow a possible glitch between the OMB and the IRS to undo longstanding statutory authority and duty.
(2) Having examined the OMB number, the court was satisfied that the 1040 form (and/or other IRS forms) had the correct/valid/current OMB number.
The results might have been different if the income tax form hadn't been in annual use, with very minor and gradual change, for more than half a century before the Paperwork Reduction Act.

When I mentioned the Federal Register announcement of Dec. 20, 2006 previously on this thread, I gave the name of the Treasury's guy in charge of making sure about the OMB numbers, Robert Dahl. I don't have his phone number, but his assistant, Glenn Kirkland, can be reached at 202-622-3428, and I suggest anyone who still gives a rat's rump about this topic call up the Dept of the Treasury in Washington and talk to him about it. Or call the guy at the OMB's end of this process, Alexander T. Hunt, at 202-395-7316.

[David Merrill]

(even you take **** For Brains FKADVP's word that it expired in 2006 instead of my report that the Federal Register in Dec. 2006 showed it was renewed)

Shoonra is not even paying attention to the things I say anymore. [I said nothing of the sort.] Just as well since I have caught her falsifying verbiage from federal code to obfuscate tax lien requirements - I am now careful to process everything she says.


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Regards,

David Merrill.

[Chinese Panda]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

As for the court decisions, they fell into at least 2 piles:

How about providing some specific cites that I can go look up and learn the case law for myself?

Originally Posted by Shoonra

"...it authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury [or his delegate] to prescribe the form..."

1) Did an actual Secretary of the Treasury prescribe the form or did he delegate authority to some other entity to prescribe the form?
2) If the Secretary did delegate his authority to prescribe Form 1040, which Secretary did it, when did he do it, who did he delegate it to, how did he do it, and what venue did he do it for?

Originally Posted by Shoonra

" Having examined the OMB number, the court was satisfied that the 1040 form (and/or other IRS forms) had the correct/valid/current OMB number.

1) Was OMB Form 83-I for IRS Form 1040 [which I believe is now a pubic record] in evidence in that case? Also, what facts did the court use to become satisfied?

Originally Posted by Shoonra

When I mentioned the Federal Register announcement of Dec. 20, 2006 previously on this thread, I gave the name of the Treasury's guy in charge of making sure about the OMB numbers, Robert Dahl. I don't have his phone number, but his assistant, Glenn Kirkland, can be reached at 202-622-3428, and I suggest anyone who still gives a rat's rump about this topic call up the Dept of the Treasury in Washington and talk to him about it. Or call the guy at the OMB's end of this process, Alexander T. Hunt, at 202-395-7316.

I may have to make some calls! Thank you for the information. I sincerely always appreciate truthful information from a source that I can verify.

[David Merrill]

Dear Chinese Panda;


Shoonra is worth reading but only for express and tacit admissions. She is suffering the same conditioning as most attorneys but that link to her intentionally going through the trouble of falsifying federal legislation is quite revealing about her. And notice that when she gets upset enough to call me **** For Brains I am quick to point it out. The truth is what upsets her the most.

Originally Posted by Shoonra

When I mentioned the Federal Register announcement of Dec. 20, 2006 previously on this thread, I gave the name of the Treasury's guy in charge of making sure about the OMB numbers, Robert Dahl. I don't have his phone number, but his assistant, Glenn Kirkland, can be reached at 202-622-3428, and I suggest anyone who still gives a rat's rump about this topic call up the Dept of the Treasury in Washington and talk to him about it. Or call the guy at the OMB's end of this process, Alexander T. Hunt, at 202-395-7316.

She is talking about this post:

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/109269-post15.html

Originally Posted by Shoonra

The message that started this thread based its claim that the OMB number for the 1040 Form (1545-0074) expired on Dec. 31, 2006 used as its evidence a link to a list on the OMB website. The list of approved forms on the OMB website is undated but viewing the source code reveals that it was last posted in August 2006. The IRS announced the renewal of that OMB number, and a great many other OMB numbers for other forms, in the Federal Register for Dec. 20, 2006 (vol 71) starting on page 76427.

The announcement is signed by Robert Dahl, the Treasury's Paperwork Reduction Act Officer. In other words, the same OMB number for the 1040 was renewed and is still current.

I checked Lexis and found well over a hundred cases (more like 150) in which the defendant tried to argue about the 1040's OMB number. In not even a single case did this argument win.

[It behooves you to note that Shoonra could have linked you to the Notice in the Federal Register for less trouble than to tell you about it.]

And I have to admit, it is an announcement, like she says. What she does not say is the admission about common law notice and grace through the public register. So do you know who it is that is approving it?

You are!! By letting that public notice settle over the grace period, typically thirty days.

You have already ratified the approval of the OMB# on the 1040 Form. It is too late for that but you might want to open up your eyes for the future; don't you think?

Of course you can take the Christian stand on Rules of Evidence:

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Which will substantiate the separation of church and state. Let attorneys like Shoonra be in control if you like the world that way. It is better for us all that you are subject to those who have studied Rules of Evidence.

That is why when the pagans came into Judaism through the Messiah, with no more stipulations of conduct than the Seven Noachide Laws, Paul stipulated:

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Regards,

David Merrill.




http://www.occ.treas.gov/fr/fedregister/69fr50293.pdf
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[Chinese Panda]

Originally Posted by David Merrill

=[It behooves you to note that Shoonra could have linked you to the Notice in the Federal Register for less trouble than to tell you about it.]

Actually, that's a very good point, internet links are easy enough to include. I have included the link to the Federal Register for Dec. 20, 2006. When you click on it, you will find another link to page 76427 near the bottom. http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/fedreg/a061220c.html

[David Merrill]

Thanks.


http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/advanced.html

Or check the box for Volume 71 and plug in - "76427" into the search engine. Click Hit #2.

The point being there is no approval of the OMB# to be found. The approval came from you. That is what Shoonra is thinking of calling me names about now...

She is a good attorney. She wants to keep the illusion of power.



Regards,

David Merrill.