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[rentiap]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

I believe that Shoonra & ND are dead on the money

All U.S. Citizens must pay !and be a Good Little German and fill out the damn form !!!

IF they want to withhold from a state national, they will be looking at a serious discrimination lawsuit

ANy legislation enacted post 14th Amendment is defacto & insurgent in nature

Dead on correctomundo Weis.

[FreeFromContract]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

On top of that, having been issued an SSN, now pretending that you don't have one could be viewed as tax (or some other kind of) fraud.

Fraud you say?

Hmmmmm...

Like the fraud that the SSA perpetuates by making statements that there is a law which requires everyone (to participate in a so******t program and) to get a SSN if they want to support their own existance?

Like the fraud the IRS and SSA perpetuates on businesses by claiming that "everyone must have a SSN" to earn a living?

Like the type of fraud that lawyers for these businesses (members of the bar) who tell the owners and others that if someone wants to work for a living they must have a SSN?

Is that the type of fraud you're talking about Shoonra?

[PANICPASS]

Title 26 C.F.R. Section 1.1441-5(a) used to say that employers are not required to withhold if the US citizen provided a statement of citizenship. That verbiage has been omitted, but not repealed or deleted. They took it out because everyone was using the regulation and statement to stop withholding, which meant a loss of revenue to the government--of course they are going to put a stop to that.

[David Merrill]

I used to have the famous Taco Bell Case - a series of administrative letters between the boy's father and Taco Bell. Now the applications say (optional). I have a friend who ate at one Taco Bell so often he was friendly with the manager. He asked her if she ever got any blank fields for SSN. She said "No. But if I ever did, I would throw it out."

I suppose that is the clever ploy. To make the needy employee either provide consent or be at jeopardy for work.

That is why I promote redeeming the national debt by redeeming FRNs in lawful money on site. Go ahead and let the employer Withhold - just honestly report your tax liability at the end of the Tax Year and get all your Withholdings Refunded.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[PANICPASS]

See United States v. Two Hundred Thousand Dollars in U.S. Currency, 590 F.Supp. 866 (S.D. Fla.1984). As seen and reviewed earlier, Title 26 CFR Sec. 301.6109(d)(3)(i), supra, makes it absolutely clear that “The term IRS individual taxpayer identification number does not refer to a social security number ..." and therefore, there can be NO federal reporting statute, that can, in requiring a TIN from an individual, be interpreted as requiring a social security number from a Citizen, to be used as that TIN in reports.

[Dillon Hunt]

The Social Security System is insurance fraud (ponzi /pyramid scheme) and therefore against State Law? You can't be forced to commit fraud !!!

[mrg]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

Believe what you will, at the end of the day all you have is your belief, and now a belief in the beliefs of Shoonra and Notorial Dissent.

And those two your beliefs are in agreement with are apologists and propagandists for that which you would presume to correct with an undefined change of political status, yes, no?

Show me where anything anywhere that says precisely that.

And, I would thank you not to presume I am a "Good little German," especially when you admit collusive agreement with bona fide Good Little Germans.

Show me the term "state national" in the organic Law of the Land.

And show me a state national that is going to want to work, or be able to work for any employer that will try to withold?

How many state nationals are other than self employed?

So what?

It is not merely de facto, it is null and void for lack of lawful delegation of any vested Powers, being that there is no lawful government, thus nothing enacted.

"WE THE PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America…,"

That more than adequately asserts and defines individual political status, as does the precedent Unanimous Declaration.

So what if it will be difficult for We the People, as such, to hold the regime of an occupation junta accountable, but what good is presuming to redefine political status outside of lawful delegatable definition going to do to restore what has been conquered?

Why are you willing to give credence to decrees that are void as definitive of the term Citizen, and for other purposes?

At the end of the day those with the gold and the guns are going to do whatever they decide to do, to whomever they decide to do it to.

You really think you are not playing in their sandbox?

Whose sandbox do you file your papers into?

Do you use FRN's?

If not what do you use?

You really want completely out of their sandbox what do you suppose you really ought to be doing?

Even out there, there is no guarantee of peace and freedom, or even of survival against the elements.

All you have, at best, it would seem, is a temporary get out of jail free card, if that, and how does that take you outside their sandbox, when you have already admitted it exists by filing papers into it?

[weishaupt1776]

As far as Shoonra's allegation that one pretends that they don't have an SSN

Title 20: Employees' Benefits
PART 422—ORGANIZATION AND PROCEDURES
Subpart B—General Procedures
§*422.103***Social security numbers
(d) Social security number cards. A person who is assigned a social security number will receive a social security number card from SSA within a reasonable time after the number has been assigned. (See §422.104 regarding the assignment of social security number cards to aliens.) Social security number cards are the property of SSA and must be returned upon request.

So shoonra, lemme ask you some questions:

If the card is the SSA's property, and they request the card back on a compulsory basis, then can I still use the number ? Is it still valid ?

___Yes ___No[/quote]

[mrg]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

No there is not.

There is a foreign occupation which presumes nothing.

So you presume.

How do you know it is not filed?

So now who is the "good German?"

You are presuming I would do that?

How are you not still playing in their sand box?

If you feel you have to have the right papers to show the gestapo, where is your freedom?

If you have to show the gestapo that your papers are in order where is your freedom?

If the gestapo agree your papers are in order, are you not in agreement with the gestapo?

Is that what you want?

The "right papers" so you won't go to get gassed?

Where is the freedom in that?

Do you accept their FRN's?

Do you pass their FRN's?

Do you eat in their retaurants?

Are you a tenant living in their worker housing?

Do you rent their automobiles and use their highways?

How do you aquire one of their automoblies?

Do you pay for their things that you need to sustain your life?

With money?

Do you participate in their nasty little game in any way, such as making sure your papers are in order?

So where is your freedom?

Especially when you now appear to sit on some kind of a high horse and happily want to send everyone else to Hell that won't get their papers properly in order for the gestapo like you have?

They have the gold and guns yes, no?

Do you have the gold and guns?

No?

But your papers are in order?

[weishaupt1776]

That's why we have a currency protest in the paperwork

HAve fun

I'm getting the impression that you are adopting the Marc stevens "They are going to shoot you anyway" stance, but I could be wrong