Property taxes

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Let the above be a good sign of encouragement to all of you out there... the resident Pharisee doesnt like it.

We have got to be more righteous than the Pharisees, who sit in the seat of Moses when it comes to matters of the law. yet they neither lead, follow, nor get out of the way...

In response-

The requested form IS the exemption certificate. I go to the tax office, ask for the the exemption form, check the right boxes, etc and file for record. If the authorities approve the application, then the process is finished and the property is exempt. Many many properties are already exempt, it happens all the time. For example, govt property. Non profit institutions, etc, the list is long and valuable in terms of net worth. this is not a little or rare situation!

I am always free to 'quit-claim' my rights to someone else. Only one signature is required. Another way would be to find the legal process to official 'abandon' a property to the state, who is by default the repositor of such things.

My liens are my liens. The county did not pay for the property, no write-off or other rebate was enjoyed, etc. The deed as recorded is very clear. If I mistakenly send some value to someone in good faith and they have proper notice, the item must be returned by law.

However that is hardly relevant because the title was given up against future tax liens, effectively. They want to tax the property, fine, here it is subject to my reservations. no they cant do anything they like with it because the right that has been received is completely restricted. I have quit my claim to an empty title only.

BTW- in another thread the above poster claimed the UCC doesnt apply to real estate. Why then does every county have a specific recording section for real estate liens under the UCC? The form itself says "check this box if the subject is real estate" (my paraphrase)

Who is the victim of the fraud? No victim, no fraud. Real estate taxes are not personal or direct and entail no personal responsibility. They just levied against the property, sort of like 'in rem'.

That a lien may be 'invalid' doesnt equal fraud. Anyway, I did this myself, liened the property plenty and no one said boo. I named the county and the mortgage company as debtors (I forgot to add that is also part of the process, just to be on the safe side), recorded everything, changed names on the title while the property was mortgaged, sent copies of everything certified mail to all parties, and that was that.

I never did give the empty title to the county in an effort to see the property exempt. Had not occured to me at the time. I had filed a 'Notice of Transfer' without naming a new owner but that route is more argumentative. the goal here is to get the system to do the work on its own.

the whole point of applying for an exemption under whatever claim is so that there will be a document of tax exemption. Notice how the Pharisees operate- they twist the words up.

above poster - "pretending to be a tax exempt entity without the proper documentation"

the truth- " intending to properly document a tax exemption"... by application to and approval from the very taxing power in question. I am applying (asking) for an exemption.

Without reference to any entity, since its the property itself that is declared by the county itself to be exempt. Its not a personal tax status issue, its the use to which the property is dedicated.

The above poster would have you imagine there is a penalty for asking, like Oliver Twist APPLYING for more gruel (oatmeal) "Please, sir, may I have some more?"

"More! He wants some more!?!" Yikes!

Dont sweat it, just go ahead and apply for exemption. The worst that happens is the answer is no. They might yell at you.

[rottweiler]

All things are possible to those who believe.

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

We have got to be more righteous than the Pharisees, who sit in the seat of Moses when it comes to matters of the law. yet they neither lead, follow, nor get out of the way...

[cowboy]

Certainly this is a big issue, and if we think the driving issue is hard, how much more so is this.

Does anyone here, or know of anyone who has actually done this.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Have you requested a simple exemption for the property yet?

Anyway, it's just paper. Lots of folks seems to come by the little green stuff pretty easy one way or another.

Conditional acceptance might work. It has, in the past, apart from any other method. Some dude did that with the IRS and they sent HIM a check, for the amount claimed. He was supposed to sign it back over to them, and thereby 'zero-out' the account.

[cowboy]

Just to rephrase, has anyone gotten off the property tax rolls ?

[joseph sugarman]

Cowboy,

Thank you for my afternoon guufaw! I have to appreciate and love you book-end stick-to-it-ivness.

[clarkee]

Unless you have allodial title to your land then I see no way around the property tax. Texas is one of the few states left that you can have allodial title to your property. As to how you get this, I really don't know. I'm renting a house. I think this is one way the government gets away with taking your property under eminent domain. They give you fair market value(HAH!) and run with your property and real estate. Isn't it really amazing that after all these years thinking that by you working your a.. off for a car or house and once you get it paid off it's not your anyway? Doesn't that just wanna make you go out and work 12 hour shifts 6 days a week and also pay a slave tax? I kind of get a kick out of how education seems to be the answer to get a better paying job. Looks good from the outside but the better job, the more money(debt), the more useless material things that you slaved to buy and WHAM, it's not yours afterall. So I guess the moral to this is get a good education, find a good so-called paying job, obtain as many worthless material things as possible,and find out later that it was all for nothing because all you were was a tenant. At least you enjoyed what you thought was yours.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Thats basically it- keep perspective and get what you can. The rest you never had anyway so it wasnt lost. it's small potatoes overall. The average American has legal acess to several hundred thousand in unsecured credit alone, it legally takes 6 years to expire a bad debt (or less!), so right there is all the money you wil ever need to pay for a lot of things, including taxes.

and when you let the bank twist in the wind for a few years of wrangling over the mortgage, while they pay the real estate tax to protect their own position, it only gets better.

Many many properties are "off" the tax rolls, or at least legally exempt- all the non profits and such. Get yourself a homeless shelter.