Jesus Christ on Taxes

[Ecclesiastes]

Originally Posted by Truth-Bringer

Read the entire article and you'll have your answer.

Read my entire message and you'll have your question.

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by cigs645

Funny how many people who constantly shell out their10% tax every Sunday complain about high taxes while the church they give the cash to builds a new volleyball court with their tithe.

No diggity !

OR too many other things to count. Happenin' at my church big time. (not the volleyball court extreme, though)

[weishaupt1776]

It's great. Every Republicrat Bushbot pastor (who don't realize that they are really communists) I know of conveniently gets tongue-tied with these verse previously mentioned in this thread:

Mat 17:26 “From others,” Peter answered.
“Then the sons are exempt,” Jesus said to him.
Mat 17:27 “But so that we may not offend them, go to the lake and throw out your line.

"The sons are exempt" Don't need the Greek Concordance for that one (insert head scratching icon)

So Peter pays this tax only in an isolated, extraordinary circumstance to where Christ says well just do it this time soas not to offend

So are we sposda pay the Subtitle A income tax so we don't offend the Bushwackers?

[I am Siren]

Thank you for bringing us this information!

-- Siren

[rottweiler]

The article gave me some more ammo. For instance, Jesus was born a criminal in the governments eyes and died as one too. If Joseph and Mary would not of resisted king Herod's demands we wouldn't of even heard of Jesus. At the Battle of Armageddon Jesus is going to take on the kings and armies of the earth. I would not call any of that co-operation.

Matt 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Ecclesiastes, if you walked twice as far with your adversary wouldn't you have twice the chance to convert him?

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by Dillon Hunt

He could have been saying don't use Ceasar's money and if you do, pay taxes on it or since nothing really belonged to Ceasar, its all Gods stuff give it to God.

The "render unto Ceasar" quote is a statement on dialectics, and the fact that man is a dual being: part animal (material) and part angel (Spirit), and that man has responsibilities to take care both of his animal, physical body as well as of the Spirit/Soul that has been entrusted to his care.

However, if you desire to read it as a statement on politics, you can still take it at face value: "Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars"; as near as I can figure, this Ceasar (and all Ceasars who have sat on the throne since at least FDR) have deserved precisely nothing: they are criminals of the greatest and most murderous kind, and they deserve nothing other than a fair trial before their peers for their crimes against humanity, and whatever summary judgment falls upon them in consequence.

In terms of politics and Jesus, a better tax quote is the one found in Matthew 17:24-26:

When Peter came into the house, Jesus was the first to speak. "What do you think, Simon?" he asked. "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own sons or from others?"

26"From others," Peter answered.

"Then the sons are exempt,"

In other words, you collect taxes from foreigners, i.e., tariffs on imports and so forth; then the people themselves are free.

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

It's great. Every Republicrat Bushbot pastor (who don't realize that they are really communists) I know of conveniently gets tongue-tied with these verse previously mentioned in this thread:



"The sons are exempt" Don't need the Greek Concordance for that one (insert head scratching icon)

So Peter pays this tax only in an isolated, extraordinary circumstance to where Christ says well just do it this time soas not to offend

So are we sposda pay the Subtitle A income tax so we don't offend the Bushwackers?

Subtitle A is a false and alien god as per the Laws of Moses. Furthermore, as per the Laws of Moses, you must pay no heed to this foreign and alien god, lest you reap the wages of sin.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by I am Siren

Thank you for bringing us this information!

-- Siren

Yehoshuah H'Natzrith [BRANCH] was a prime example of a walking court of competent jurisdiction.

As I see it, the "give unto Caesar" passage was the trial in which the moneychangers were convicted.

In the Macabees we find that for about 100 years before Jesus the Herodians operating the Temple were contracting the drachma - the half shekel denomination for paying the Temple Tax.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/46003.htm

1 Therefore when the holy city was inhabited with all peace, and the laws as yet were very well kept, because of the godliness of Onias the high priest, and the hatred his soul had of evil, 2 It came to pass that even the kings themselves, and the princes esteemed the place worthy of the highest honour, and glorified the temple with very great gifts: 3 So that Seleucus king of Asia allowed out of his revenues all the charges belonging to the ministry of the sacrifices. 4 But one Simon of the tribe of Benjamin, who was appointed overseer of the temple, strove in opposition to the high priest, to bring about some unjust thing in the city. 5 And when he could not overcome Onias he went to Apollonius the son of Tharseas, who at that time was governor of Celesyria and Phenicia:

With the Temple Tax incident; I see that as a lesson on hearsay and its drawbacks. Peter spoke for Jesus and in the next breath Jesus will not allow Peter into the house:

Mat 17:25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

In any interpretation of preventing entry into the house, or just stopping Peter for correction, Jesus was not pleased that Peter had committed for Jesus to pay the Temple Tax. Why?

That goes to the reason mainly that Jesus got into trouble - interference with the commercial franchise of the moneychangers and what he saw going on in the Temple courtyard makes anyone's rage boil.

Picture the contracting of the drachma/half-shekel this way. Since the priests were operating the Temple affairs with any coin available/accepted in the realm they were able to keep the Israelite coinage, which never put a graven image of a man on the face, hoarded up in the Temple treasury. Then the pilgrims would come for the Holidays and be required to pay up a religious tithe in of course - shekels and drachmas.

There was a shortage of these available but they were the only coin accepted for the Temple Tax. The pilgrims were being gouged! Who knows, maybe the exchange rate was 2:1 or something outrageous. But that outrage in my opinion was the main explanation why the Herodians wanted Jesus killed.

The court trial was simply having a Herodian priest reach into his purse, before two or more witnesses and pull out a Tiberias denarion from the Temple funds. Jesus convicted him of contracting the drachma right there.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[psholtz]

As always Dave, very interesting!