ssn, w-4's, and employment

[suijuris]

Originally Posted by TaxRebel

I don't have what it takes to fight the SSN issue.&

I can understand that, and do not fault you for that position - we all must choose our fights. However, this forum is intended as a resource to HELP people win the fight of their choice. If you are who you say you are, you would do well to remember that we are all fighting for our freedom. And many of use are forced to take a defensive positions, not everybody has the luxury to pick and choose where to make a stand to the extend others can.


Anyway, what I am getting at is this: If you wish to offer support to this movement,&you cannot do so by being a voice of doom. If you have nothing positive and helpful to say to the other members, then say nothing. I found nothing helpful, hopeful, or supportive in your comments.


While you may say you were just being a realist, you only exposed this forum to hopelessness and despair. I do not accept any such reality. I have personally been through some very bad patches in life, probably worse than most. I made it through those times BECAUSE I refused to give up hope, and acted upon it.

Originally Posted by TaxRebel

I like to eat, and shower everyday.&

So do I, but I want to be able to do so freely, without conditions.


You can get three hots and a cot in any prison in this country, and shower multiple times a day in most. But that is my idea of freedom at all. But if food and a daily shower are the limitations of your aspirations, I wish you the best in your quest. It is simply not enough for me.


Regards,
Sui Juris

<FONT face=Arial>Well I was going to add something to what goldenphoenix said about the Privacy Act, sui juris, but I will refrain so all of you can go back to your fantasy world.& </FONT>


<FONT face=Arial>Good day. </FONT>


P.S. Please delete my username and password.& I wont' be back

[suijuris]

Originally Posted by FlunkyNoMo

I had printed some information back on 6/26/2003 from a site called semantechs.com. In trying to go back to them I found that, like with many of the good info site they're not around. (It opens to a "will work for food" thing, which is pretty funny, but wouldn't give me the section with the forms.)
There was a scanned image of a letter from the Depart. of the Treasury, IRS (gone now) referenceing 26 USC Sec. 6109(d) and 26 CFR 31.6011(b) noting that&niether of the codes require you to obtain a SSN.
I did a search and found: www.taxtruth4u.com/nossnforms.html Which appears to be the same forms. I hope this may be of use to the topic at hand, and Sui Juris may wish to add them here just in case they "go away" again.
FNM

I have compressed the PDFs and added them to the download section:


http://www.suijuris.net/main/suijuri...ile.php?lid=67

[suijuris]

Originally Posted by TaxRebel

<FONT face=Arial>Well I was going to add something to what goldenphoenix said about the Privacy Act, sui juris, but I will refrain so all of you can go back to your fantasy world.&
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TaxRebel,

My comments were not intended&to scare you off, I would very much like to hear your thoughts on the Privacy Act. It would be a waste to loose your valuable input simply because you have taken offence in something I have posted, although that was not intended on my part either.


And why do you keep referring to people with hope as living in fantasy world? I suppose on the same token,&the founding fathers of this country were simply dreaming when they won the war and declared independance?

Everybody has dreams, what defines us is our willingness to act upon them.&

Regards,
Sui Juris

[goldphoenix]

Jersee,


Thankyou for your encouragement! You have a unique gift for seeing the positive in probably all scenarios!


Flunky,


That is incredible info! Thank you for posting! I guess a lot of it comes down to who one is. All this talk in the U.S.C., though, regarding United States citizen. Is this the corporate United States in d.c. (restricted to 10 miles square) and its federal territories? or is it the continental united states it's referring to? How much of this Code is referring to the strawman whom we're presumed to be fiduciary to, and how much is referring to flesh and blood men and women?


Taxrebel,


I apologize that I screwed up your name. It's my fault, and I didn't intend to mislead others regarding your title on this forum. I'm not sure why I thought your title was tax protester. And we are interested in what you have to say. I hope you don't leave the forum. If you do come back, please share your thoughts on the Privacy Act regarding ssns. Thank you.


Sui Juris,


I'm very sorry you've been through rough patches. I have been through very rough patches myself. I have never been interested in government, american history, or reading any such material in the past as I always found it rather dry. I didn't get good grades in american government or&american history in school or college either.&When I really needed to look into it (I actually "needed" to look into it long before I did) I found it to be overwhelming to say the least. I then found that most of the fights I was forced to take on were to no avail, and I was arguing my God-given rights and Constitution with those whose gods were administrative procedure and commercial law in courts of admiralty. It seemed the only thing they listened to was Federal law. Those vicious and malicious&human devils robbed me of my dignity, pride, some of my most important unalienable freedoms, and my heart for a very long time. I still have not recovered from what they have done to myself and to my family. And I am still seeking ways to repair the damage done. So my heart does go out to you for the difficulties and pain you have experienced!&I think that it is a glorious and blessed work which you do here and you have my utmost respect!


And to all of you, may YHWH bless you all as we all seek that greatest love that we all hold common and so, so&dear, freedom.


Sincerely,


goldphoenix

[Jerseee]

TaxREBEL.

My mistake on your screename, I apologize for that. However, you are still in conflict in my opinion. You can eat and shower but, to recommend to someone to play a game that they clearly do not want to be a part of is what I am referring to.

Goldphoenix may have an opportunity to get out of a system that you have temporarily given into. Goldphoenix, does not want to play this game but, you recommend that they should. Maybe not eating 3 squares a day and not taking 2 showers a day is a small price that Goldphoenix may decide to pay now and enjoy later---tax free. This is what I am driving at.

I am not here to engage in verbal swordplay or any meaningless exchange that will not encourage, benefit, or help anyone.

You may make light of the Constitution--I do not. But can you honestly sit there and tell goldphoenix (after reading the post) to give up and just play the game? When your screename (TAXREBEL) clearly states your (IMHO) position on the matter?

This is the conflict I am referring to. Nothing more from me, as I see that this exhange is leading down an unhealthy road for myself.

It is not my hope for Taxrebel to leave the forum. However, if Taxrebel has left the forum because of this thread then, I must say that this is a regrettable situation but, it is consistent with Taxrebel ideals of just giving up as Taxrebel has posted and recommended to another.

The system in place is here to do just that. Make you give up unwillingly and welcome serfdom with open arms.

Godspeed to you all.

[Ice]

I just can't win!!& I missed all this discussion and couldn't chime in because I was exercising my right to travel freely in my personal conveyance from one point to another for about 5 hours!!& Now that I'm here, this conversation seems to have come to some sort of conclusion.& But, let me add just these few things:


FNM:& I have those same documents on a disc... somewhere.& And now that you've brought those to my attention, maybe I should search my discs for other useful info that could be contributed.


TaxRebel:


I never said things would change overnight.& But without action there can be no change.& I am not sitting around "hoping" for change.& I am acting to assist in that change.& Also, if your will is to give up your membership here then so be it.& But if you're actually fighting any battles with IRS or whoever, you might consider sticking around to see if anyone can offer you assistance.& That is the entire point of this site.


This is a community of like minded Sovereigns assisting one another toward a common goal.& Your initial post was not in line with that philosophy.& You have a right to your opinion and we would not begrudge you that... but we might assist you with "change" just as we hope to assist employers and the like with "change".& I would rather attempt to convince you to be a part of the solution than to have you offer "giving up &amp; accepting (the unlawful actions of others)" as advice to others.I would rather discuss the issues that you bring forward in order to demonstrate the ineffectiveness of your suggested course of action than to see you leave after&one discussion.& But the only way we can accomplish anything at all&is by working together.


Think on it for awhile.& And&if you decide to unload some of the burden you're carrying and seek some assistance... let us know.& We'll be here.


Ice


One last note: when you say "patriot arguments"&just what do you mean?& Please refer to my posts and note that I spoke of the LAW.& FYI, I don't buy into a lot of the crap that is being "sold" by the so-called "experts" in regards to "redemption" processes.& Some of it is based in law and is very useful... and some of it is not.


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[rushpat]

About the 1041's, I heard Rice McLeod advocating them. However, I've also heard that they are no longer taking them.

Just the other day, I listened to the Liberty Forum broadcast from last fall when Barton Buhtz showed up. Someone asked him about the 1041s.

He said that if you file one instead of a 1040 or Commercial affidavit that it won't work. He said that the 1041 is a supplemental form to file, either after filing a 1040 or a commercial affidavit (his form) in place of a 1040.

I've not tried any of this yet, so I don't know.

[Ice]

rushpat,


As I said in an earlier post: "Finding a way around anothers misinterpretation of the law will only make things more complicated than they need be."


I believe that our efforts should focus on holding "them" accountable to the law just as "they" attempt to hold us accountable to the law.


The "employers" forcing of Sovereign Americans to engage in contracts that we want nothing to do with must come to an end... as well as the current court systems stranglehold on our freedoms by the conspiracy between the judges and the IRS... or is that due to the IRS's blackmail of the judges?& In any event, we must seek CHANGE -- not ways to "dodge" their unlawful activity.


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[charlene]

Never give out your SS#. If you are a card carrying SS person. Only give SS# upon hire. Credit checks and the like are now against the law useing ones SS# I beleive Mr. Bush signed that bill two months ago, also it pertains to all credit card #'s.& You can write to the ss administration and revoke your Number--but it will not work, you can even send them your card cut in half& it will not work. We all are aware of the hidden contracts we sign. Do you have a checking account? if so no matter what you do they got ya. Same for any legal document you have ever signed.


Charlene


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