Now you Know SSN validation

[charlesa6]

Now you know epic making sense.
http://www.epic.org/privacy/ssn/

[SKYGZR]

Still means "Slave" ...no matter what's "published"

Of course all of "we" realize that..it's the "masses" that's the PROBLEM!!

[David Merrill]

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/banks-...html#post86951

From: http://www.epic.org/privacy/ssn/


For example, in 1961 Congress authorized the Internal Revenue Service to use SSNs as taxpayer identification numbers.

False! That required an identification # be assigned each Taxpayer. It says nothing about that number being a Social Security Number. Maybe that is what Congress meant but they could not say so in the verbiage.


Regards,

David Merrill.


P.S. Please read the Act carefully. I have only glanced it over and found no reference or even an inference to the Social Security System. Please correct me if you find something there; or maybe even linked through reference of legislative history.

[fulltitle]

Without Prejudice.
To my knowledge: US Passports #s, SSNs are both 9-digits. They can be used *as* TINs and become TINs upon use as TINs (on 1040s, W-4, or the like). Keyword: constructive trust/resulting trust.

[David Merrill]

There was mention - (was that you?) that the backside of Social Security Cards has a number, not the SSN on the front, stamped there that is identical in form to the serial number on most Federal Reserve Notes. Somebody even ran it through a trial search engine to track down registered bonding on that # on the back of a sample card. There was a long list of investors hypothecating on it. (shivers up my spine...)

[fulltitle]

Without Prejudice.
I might've made mention of it but quite a lot of people have made a buzz about that. To my knowledge, its officially called the "Control Number".

[fulltitle]

Without Prejudice.
Oh and regarding the 'control number' I think Ive posted about this before. To my knowledge the number is the 'number' of the form with the perjury clause on it (i.e. the SS-5 in that it perhaps underwrites and 'covers' presentation of the number on other side).

I have heard rumors of people contacting the FRB that would be associated with the letter that starts the contrlol number and discovered that indeed an account existed associated with that control number.

[PANICPASS]

Originally Posted by fulltitle

Without Prejudice.
To my knowledge: US Passports #s, SSNs are both 9-digits. They can be used *as* TINs and become TINs upon use as TINs (on 1040s, W-4, or the like). Keyword: constructive trust/resulting trust.

Did you know that IRS is not authorized to request SSNs on ANY of its forms? IRS is in the tax business not social security business. They can only request TINs, not SSNs. That could be the reason none of their forms have valid OMB #s.

[rentiap]

Originally Posted by PANICPASS

Did you know that IRS is not authorized to request SSNs on ANY of its forms? IRS is in the tax business not social security business. They can only request TINs, not SSNs. That could be the reason none of their forms have valid OMB #s.

That's very interesting.
Could you please post where you got this info from?

[PANICPASS]

All numbers issued by the IRS are "Taxpayer Identification Numbers." The important thing to remember is whatever number one uses, it can ONLY be treated as "Taxpayer Identification Number. " IRS puts "SSN" on its forms so as to encurage most Americans to falsely conclude that they MUST participate in what actually amounts to a municipal donation program for the District of Columbia. The forms request: "Your Social Security Number". The Social Security Number is not "Your" number. It is the property of the US government. It says so in their regulations: "Social Security number cards are the property of SSA and must be returned upon request."


Again, all numbers issued by the IRS are Taxpayer Identification Numbers:

§ 301.6109-1 Identifying numbers.
(a) In general—(1) Taxpayer identifying numbers—(i) Principal types. There are several types of taxpayer identifying numbers that include the following: social security numbers, Internal Revenue Service (IRS) individual taxpayer identification numbers, IRS adoption taxpayer identification numbers, and employer identification numbers. Social security numbers take the form 000–00–0000. IRS individual taxpayer identification numbers and IRS adoption taxpayer identification numbers also take the form 000–00–0000 but include a specific number or numbers designated by the IRS. Employer identification numbers take the form 00–0000000.



§ 301.7701-11 Social security number.
For purposes of this chapter, the term social security number means the taxpayer identifying number of an individual or estate which is assigned pursuant to section 6011(b) or corresponding provisions of prior law, or pursuant to section 6109, and in which nine digits are separated by hyphens as follows: 000-00-0000. Such term does not include a number with a letter as a suffix which is used to identify an auxiliary beneficiary under the social security program. The terms “account number” and “social security number” refer to the same number.


26 CR Sec. 301.6109-1(d)(3)

(3) IRS individual taxpayer identification number—(i) Definition. The term IRS individual taxpayer identification number means a taxpayer identifying number issued to an alien individual by the Internal Revenue Service, upon application, for use in connection with filing requirements under this title. The term IRS individual taxpayer identification number does not refer to a social security number or an account number for use in employment for wages. For purposes of this section, the term alien individual means an individual who is not a citizen or national of the United States.


http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...esponsible.htm


There is also a pamphlet at family guardian (sedm.org) entitled "Who are Taxpayers and who needs a Taxpayer Identification Number."