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Old 07-25-2007, 12:45 PM
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Rottweiler,

You have a fifth choice. Shoot the bastards: this can apply to all thieving bastards.
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Old 07-25-2007, 04:16 PM
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Rottweiler,

You have a fifth choice. Shoot the bastards: this can apply to all thieving bastards.

That falls under option 3.
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Old 07-25-2007, 06:13 PM
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2)I close the shop up and open in a different area away from their influence.

Where might that be?

Seriously.
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Old 07-25-2007, 06:46 PM
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The reason the woman told FBIman she would not argue with him is because she knows working for a corporation involves a master and slave relationship. If you accept the federal/feudal benefits you are their slave subject to the admiralty/maritime jurisdiction. So to me, volunteering for slavery and then being disobedient makes no sense. If you don't want to follow the captain's orders get off his ship.
What benefits are you getting from the federal/feudal system? A paycheck? That's a one for one exchange. My services for money. There's no benefits in that. There's no profits or gains.
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Old 07-25-2007, 10:00 PM
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Where might that be?

Seriously.

Gangs have territories, in this case of the IRS it would be the federal zone. Do you use a SSN? If so Uncle Sam wants you to bend over and grab your ankles.

http://www.constitution.org/mercier/incon.htm

Maybe join the Amish, Mennonites or Hutterites or start your own group.
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Old 07-25-2007, 11:07 PM
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What benefits are you getting from the federal/feudal system? A paycheck? That's a one for one exchange. My services for money. There's no benefits in that. There's no profits or gains.

Please don't mix common law with admiralty. Let me explain the difference.

Common law involves property. Under common law you would exchange your property(your labor) for a different type of property, for example, your labor in exchange for gold and silver coin. That truly is a equal exchange and you don't owe anyone anything because there is no gain or corporate profit.

On the other hand Admiralty deals in color of law void of property. The open sea belongs to no one. You act as a corporation(fake ship) and exchange your services to another corporation(fake ship) for FRN's. You must use a number to do this and this number is prima facia evidence that the corporation you use is subject to Congress. After all it is their creation and they have a tyranny over it's corporations.

What benefits? Mortgages, social security, medicare, insurance, bank accounts, credit cards, FRNs, licenses, voter registration, public school, etc.

Listen, in the admiralty right and wrong don't matter, what matters is who makes the rules. So either take back Congress or get out of their jurisdiction. Maybe look into claiming max exemptions and redeeming your paychecks back to US Notes like David Merrill writes about.
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:54 AM
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I saw some Amish people on TV. They were in a general store buying supplies with federal reserve notes.
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Old 07-26-2007, 07:15 AM
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Rottweiler,

My solution,#5, differs from your #3 for the following reasons. I do not need a gang to handle my problems, I do it myself and in person. I do not go to the mattresses and play a waiting game. I handle it now and forever.
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Old 07-26-2007, 08:23 AM
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Common law involves property. Under common law you would exchange your property(your labor) for a different type of property, for example, your labor in exchange for gold and silver coin. That truly is a equal exchange and you don't owe anyone anything because there is no gain or corporate profit.

Labor is not property. If it was you could put a lien on it. You can only put a lien on property, and labor is not property. Labor is your knowledge, your skill. It is not a THING.
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Old 07-26-2007, 10:22 AM
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Dear Panicpass,

Property can have more than just a tangible form. Property can have an intangible form. A person's knowledge is a form of intangible property. A person's labor is a form of intangible property that may be exchanged for a tangible result.

If you mean, when you state, labor is your knowledge...., you mean your ability to labor in a certain way is a byproduct of your knowledge; you might have a point. But to simply state labor is knowledge or skill, and not property is incorrect. There is such a condition as mindless labor, for example. But the labor of a person, mindless or not, is the property of the person.

To further support the legal idea that labor, knowledge, skill and a great number of other intangible attributes belonging to a person as property, is the common law concept of quantum valebant in assumpsit. If another takes your knowledge, skill, labor or great number of other kinds of your property without just compensation, as agreed upon by contract, you have a tort cause at equity against the other person who has damaged you.
Additionally you have a tort cause at contract stated as assumpsit in quantum meruit.

I hope this helps you understand that labor is a form of property.
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