WARNING about a particular IRS Letter

rushpat · #1 10-01-2004, 09:53 AM

The IRS has been sending a letter to me over and over (about 4 times now, at my last 4 addresses, some of which were forwarded, others picked up by relatives), for over a year now. Strangely, it seemed to start just after the FTB started bugging me...hmmm....

Anyway, it is letter 2797. This is a harmless looking letter which says that they need your help in updating their records with your latest address. It shows the address that the letter was sent to, and you are to checkmark either YES or NO and sign, stating that the address is or is not you. If not, then fill in your real address.

The thing to watch out for is that the name and address are in all uppercase, federal zip style. Knowing what we know here about the uppercase name, if you screw up, checkmark YES and sign it, you've just admitted that you are the ALLCAPS name fiction. Subtle...

Many people say that you should update the IRS, in order to make sure they don't send you an offer of contract to a bogus address and claim you were served. I've been of the opinion for a while that the less they have from me with a signature, the better. Besides a letter 8 years ago asking if I've ever filed under another name, they only have exempt w-4's with my signature (and the last two with ucc1-207).

Anyway, while I'm pondering what to do with this (inform them of the new address, or keep them in the dark about my location), I looked at the codes on the letter top, and looked them up on the IRS internal manual website. The thing has no name or signature, only a title: Compliances Field service director (or something like that). These have been coming out of their Austin location.

Anyway, two codes on the top right of interest: BOD and CP. BOD is business operating division, and cp is computer paragraph.

The previous letters and the current letter have BOD code of WI (wages and investment). However, the CP number has changed. In the past 3 letters, it was 515. As anyone who's dealt with the IRS in the past knows, a real CP-515 letter/form is a request for tax return. This letter is NOT that, but I think it was a prelude to it. However, since they never got anything from me, I'm not sure what it was that caused them to change the code in the latest letter. It is now TDI ( taxpayer delinquent investigation).

According to this page:

IRM online, I'm somehow in the automated collection system. TDI and TDA ( taxpayer delinquent account) are the two different categories listed. So I guess TDI isn't as bad as TDA.

Hmm... Normally, for those who've filed in the past, who get a real cp-515 letter, the next step would be a cp-518 letter ("You Didn't Respond Regarding Your Tax Return"). Because the code on this letter didn't advance to 518, and is now TDI, I'm wondering where this puts me in their system. Better or worse? Would replying move it to "worse" faster than stalling with no answer?

Some would say to send it back refused, or claiming that no OMB number invalidates it. I'm not sure yet if I want then to know where I am. I'm sure it can't be good to let them know where my STUFF is located. I am trying to avoid a tangle with them after 17 years of silence. I'm thinking the losers at the FTB might have something to do with this.

Hmm... just thought I'd warn people about this letter before someone signed it YES and declared themselves to be the ALL CAPS fiction.

rushpat · #2 10-01-2004, 11:37 AM

Here's something interesting. While perusing the IRM online for the 2797 letter, I found this page:

---LINK---

and noticed something at least a little interesting:

Processing Balance Due (TDA) and Return Delinquency (TDI) Undelivered

Destroy all notices marked with "Refused" or "Unclaimed."

Hmm... perhaps I should repair the letter and return "refused"? Didn't I read something about this in another thread?

However, this is a letter, not a notice.

rushpat · #3 10-01-2004, 12:44 PM

Another note from my studies:

CP-515 and CP-518 notices are part of the TDI status. They are level 1 and 2 apparently. Assuming the 515 that was previously next to the CP: field matched the cp 51x notices, then I wonder why they now just say TDI? Perhaps it has changed status?

Curiouser and curiouser....

weishaupt1776 · #4 10-01-2004, 12:57 PM

[color=black][b]Yo Rush, my IRS combatin' comrade; You notice how their manual isn't searchable via search engine? I found a way around it. You go to google-----type this exactly- site:irs.gov 2797

or you can really narrow stuff down using quotes like this example--

site:irs.gov "Notice of Deficiency" "delegation order" etc.....

. . .& other fun, enjoyable activities that keep us from being productive Americans

rushpat · #5 10-01-2004, 03:13 PM

That's cool. There was a limited site and form search on their website, but it never comes up with much.

A bit of caution for those doing this search. There is a letter 2797 that I got, and then there is a form 2797, which deals with CID investigations. Before I realized there was a difference, I nearly had a heartattack.

Ice · #6 10-20-2004, 09:34 PM

Someone very close to me has just received the "WI" request for correct address.

We are challenging Jurisdiction to request such information. Here's the plan: The Federal Zone contains a letter in Appendix O, that letter is being modified a bit and will be used to challenge jurisdiction.

Anyone that has the Zone, chime in with your thoughts.

Ice

max_kans · #7 03-10-2008, 05:15 AM

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/document_6209-2003.pdf

I keep gettin these letters also, I hadn't filed in like 9 years, but last year I got caught up and didn't owe a thing, now I'm getting them again and they have my new address, this is how they sent me my check last year, who knows, wish Huckabee would have won, so he could have shut these nazi's down. Hope this helps.

max_kans · #8 03-10-2008, 05:15 AM

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/document_6209-2003.pdf

I keep gettin these letters also, I hadn't filed in like 9 years, but last year I got caught up and didn't owe a thing, now I'm getting them again and they have my new address, this is how they sent me my check last year, who knows, wish Huckabee would have won, so he could have shut these nazi's down. Hope this helps.

David Merrill · #9 03-10-2008, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushpat

Here's something interesting. While perusing the IRM online for the 2797 letter, I found this page:

---LINK---

and noticed something at least a little interesting:

Processing Balance Due (TDA) and Return Delinquency (TDI) Undelivered

Destroy all notices marked with "Refused" or "Unclaimed."

Hmm... perhaps I should repair the letter and return "refused"? Didn't I read something about this in another thread?

However, this is a letter, not a notice.

Indeed, a simple R4C will be promptly destroyed? Pay attention to the "clerk instruction".

Thanks for that snippet. That explains why the agents just keep on sending more notices. And make no mistake - that letter is a notice. Like everything in admiralty - no rebuttal means you agree. If you acquiesce you accept your time period to form your own affidavit.

Quote:

Exhibit 5.18.2-3 (01-01-2008)
A6020(b) 1085 Ltr.

INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE SB/SE Internal Revenue Service Ogden, UT 84201-0048 Department of the Treasury Employer Identification Number: Forms: Tax Period(s) Ended:
Dear Person to Contact: A6020b Representative Contact Telephone Number: 801-620-4647 (6am-4pm Mountain Time) Fax Number: 801-620-4750
We have reviewed your tax records and found no record of you filing the tax returns identified above. We believe you are liable and have prepared a tax return for the tax period/s in question. If you agree that the tax liability shown is correct, please sign each form and return it to us. If you do not agree with our findings, you have 45 days (90 days if this letter is addressed outside the United States) to do one of the following:
1.Prepare and sign tax returns which you believe show

Regards,

David Merrill.

P.S. That link: http://www.irs.gov/irm/part5/ch18s21.html

is not working for me. I tried searching for some of the "refused" verbiage but had no hits.

Charlie Blue · #10 03-10-2008, 08:52 AM

I kept getting those types of letters for awhile also. What I did was simply sent a letter back to them basically stating that I don’t understand why they need to update any information they may have about me because I’m am not under their jurisdiction. I then closed with something to the effect of if they believe I am incorrect in my premise in any way to please contact me with the correct information that is supported by law. That was sometime earlier last year and, from there, I’ve never gotten another letter.