I posted this information on another site where they mistakenly say that the IRS Manual 6209 is not available on the IRS' website. With it, I posted a link to the Manual as I will also do here. If you read anywhere that it is not available to the public, as of 11:13pm Eastern Time on Friday, September 14, 2007, IT IS AVAILABLE.
The IRS did take the manual off the site. They did repost it to the site.
Anybody brave enough (okay, or stupid enough, depending on how you look at it) to attempt to read the whole thing and study it enough to be able to decode should be entitled to get it for free, IMHO.
So if you are looking for a free, yes FREE, copy of the IRS Manual 6209 to try to decode your IMF or BMF master file, there you go. For the search engines that would be IRS Individual Master File Business Master File.
If we are all really here to spread the word, educate people, etc., I don't see justification for charging for free documents. When I get paid, it's for the time and expense I've spent in becoming educated and experienced. It's also for the convenience of people being able to get something done quickly without having to invest hundreds of hours of their own time.
Why would anybody not want people to be able to get it for free?!
that has been posted for quite a while. I have had a copy for several years now. It is somewhat helpful in decoding your IMF, however it is very confusing and assumes that the person doing the decoding is an IRS goon familiar with terms, computer systems, etc. Additionally, there are other documents needed to decode an IMF, 6209 is not enough.
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The IMF is a big scam for Tax Protestor Gurus first, and then the IRS
The IMF is NOT admissable in court, and alot of the secret little codes which are alleged to make you a Virgin Islands Gun or rum runner are nothing but patriot folklore
A friend of mine set up a CDPH and wagged his "decoded" IMF in front of the Appeals Officer
The AO said that was "frivolous" , shut down the meeting, and now - years later, his house is being seized and auctioned
Stay away from this one guys, and study how your heritage was taken from you via the 14th Amendment "Reconstruction"
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The IMF is a big scam for Tax Protestor Gurus first, and then the IRS
The IMF is NOT admissable in court, and alot of the secret little codes which are alleged to make you a Virgin Islands Gun or rum runner are nothing but patriot folklore
A friend of mine set up a CDPH and wagged his "decoded" IMF in front of the Appeals Officer
The AO said that was "frivolous" , shut down the meeting, and now - years later, his house is being seized and auctioned
Stay away from this one guys, and study how your heritage was taken from you via the 14th Amendment "Reconstruction"
One of the most important things to remember about those administrative hearings is that you must give ten days notice of any deviations like bringing a tape recorder. If you try any surprises, the IRS agent is trained to shut the meeting down.
The only trick that works is to bring a witness and your records, which is no surprise, but ask if they can be used against you in court. This puts the agent in a stumpted position - if he answers either way - you walk.
A lot of patriot lore is out there about the IMF and decoding it. So all I am going on are first hand experiences - that people have shown me. Using refusal to provide the IMF - refusal to show on FOIA Request has some sway as evidence (attached). But that has to be used very wisely.
The phone books in a box entrusted to the witness caused the IRS agent to lie in his report about the meeting - contrary to the witness affidavit. This caused the tax court to refuse accepting the IRS trying to shove the cause through...
Marginal at best. Even in the dismissal attached - the suitor had to R4C in order for the DoJ not to pick up on the implied authority of the tax court to dismiss a cause started by the IRS agent on the "defendant's" behalf.
Redeem lawful money - that is the remedy to the Fed given in 1913 in the Federal Reserve Act:
P.S. The Civil War certainly changed things - mainly setting up Executive Order on the ongoing emergency no state or confederation of states may secede from the Union and the Fourteenth Amendment - anyone subject to the singular entity jurisdiction of the US. The Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917 was utilized and amended in 1933 to include that same verbiage - to make US citizens the enemy.
It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).
The only trick that works is to bring a witness and your records, which is no surprise, but ask if they can be used against you in court. This puts the agent in a stumpted position - if he answers either way - you walk.
My wife was summoned to a meeting with the current Revenue Officer assigned to us(we last filed a return in 1992). Told to bring 'records and papers". We went with a witness and a certified Court Reporter/Recorder. We notified the RO that the meeting would be taped by me. We also sent a couple of questions that we would need answered before we would provide any information along with an affidavit that the RO would have to sign depending on the answer to the question.
We were taken to a meeting room. I was setting my recording equipment up, I asked again if this was permitted. She said it didn't matter to her because it would be inadmissible. I agreed and then she turned to the CR, who was setting up her recording equipment. The RO asked, 'Are YOU taping this meeting?" The CR replied, "Yes.". The CR then picked up her stack of papers and literally ran from the room stating, "This meeting is over!".
We were stunned. The CR said she'd never seen anything like that. The CR returned with her supervisor in about 15 minutes and told us to leave. We pressed for a reason, and the supervisor finally said, "We weren't aware that you would be taping the meeting." My wife pointed to the letter that we'd written stating that we would be - it was on the top of a stack of papers that the RO was holding in her arms. The RO then stated,"The meeting is over - now leave!"
We did.
Why would they not have a problem with my taping the meeting, but the CR's recorder was like a crucifix to a vampire? The only difference being that the CR's recording would be admissible. What could have they said during the meeting that they would not want to be heard in Court?
A few weeks later my wife received a letter from the General Counsel of the IRS stating that the RO had reported that she had not shown up for the meeting. we relayed the account to the GC. It's been a few months now, haven't heard back. Also haven't received any more form letters from them. She usually gets at least 2 per month.
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The only trick that works is to bring a witness and your records, which is no surprise, but ask if they can be used against you in court. This puts the agent in a stumpted position - if he answers either way - you walk.
The phone books in a box entrusted to the witness caused the IRS agent to lie in his report about the meeting - contrary to the witness affidavit. This caused the tax court to refuse accepting the IRS trying to shove the cause through...[quote=David Merrill]
David,
Yours is an excellent idea that I know has worked often. The only corollary to it is that I think it also possible to attend the meeting with the witness and no records. When questioned about the records, the response is this:
"I can neither confirm nor deny any such records exist. But assuming, arguendo,there are any such records, can any of the information contained in such records be used as a link in a chain of evidence in any subsequent, criminal proceeding?"
The most important fact to remember is to never answer the question using just the word records; it has to be." any of the information contained in such records".
Those who use this method prefer it to the other only because the method you describe admits, tacitly, there are records. Depending on the extent of any future criminal dealings with the IRS or DOJ in any collateral, federal attack, there can be the odd situation in which a court might put one, and the witness, in the position of contempt. The only way to avoid the contempt was to either provide the court with the records or the phone books, or whatever was actually taken to the meeting. I seem to remember a situation in which the court was given the phone books, or whatever was actually in the box, and the witness corroborated that was what was in the box at the IRS meeting. The court was not amused.
The two were found to be in contempt for artifice under some really obscure federal statute having nothing directly to do with an IRS investigation.
It was the reason for the second methodology being created. However, I have heard, anecdotally, that both methods have subsequently prevailed under certain conditions.
----Well, I can see, despite the best efforts of another member of this forum; I still have not been able to figure out how to quote properly. I declare myself uneducable.
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It's been a few months now, haven't heard back. Also haven't received any more form letters from them. She usually gets at least 2 per month.
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The only way to avoid the contempt was to either provide the court with the records or the phone books, or whatever was actually taken to the meeting.
Or have exhausted/cured administrative remedy!
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Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, following the tradition of men according to the rudiments of the world, and not in accordance with Christ.
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Could you please explain what you mean by your statement. Could also explain what it has to do with that part of my post you quoted. You have me mystified. Thank you for your assistance.
IRS Manual 6209 a.k.a. Really Disappointed
