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Old 10-11-2004, 07:21 PM
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IRS can't take primary residence for non-payment of taxes.

I just learned that IRS can't take primary residence for back taxes. Supposedly a bill passed congress earlier this year, and the IRS is keeping it pretty much hush-hush. I thought that was kind of interesting. They can take rental property and vacation homes, but not primary residence.



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Old 10-11-2004, 07:43 PM
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IRS can't take primary residence for non-payment of taxes.

Can you give any more information?



a Law, a link, anything?



Pleeeeease?



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Old 10-11-2004, 11:17 PM
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IRS can't take primary residence for non-payment of taxes.

Information came from someone who was in bankruptcy court for back taxes and he said the guy from the IRS told him that. Don't have anymore info than that. Has anyone else heard anything about this?
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Old 10-15-2004, 10:38 AM
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IRS can't take primary residence for non-payment of taxes.

Hi, y'all....



Here's the link to IRS:



http://www.irs.gov/individuals/artic...=97266,00.html



Here's the text:



Tax Regulations - Section 3445 - Procedures for Seizures of Residences and Businesses



Overview



The provision amends section 6334(a)(13) relating to exemption of principal residences by exempting residences (any real property used as a residence of the taxpayer or other individual (except real property that is rented)) from levy if the amount of the levy does not exceed $5,000. It also exempts the taxpayer's principal residence and tangible personal or real property used in an individual taxpayer's trade or business (other than rental property). This provision amends IRC Section 6334(c) to allow for levy on principal residences when approved by a district court. It also allows for levy on business assets where the district director (DD) or assistant district director (ADD) personally approves, in writing, such levy and determines that the taxpayer's other assets are insufficient to pay the amount due, plus expenses of the proceeding, or when counsel approves a jeopardy levy.



Reference

IRM 56(12)1.1(5) and 56(12)1.2



Requirement

Except in cases of real property that is rented, a revenue officer cannot seize residential property when the levy amount is less than $5,000. District court approval is required for all seizures of principal residences and DD or ADD approval is required of all seizures of individual business assets. The Service is also required to make an evaluation of the availability of other assets - including future income from commercial sale of fish or wildlife - before approval of seizure of individual business assets.



Procedures

The procedures below must be followed to levy on individual business assets:



Follow the provisions set forth in sections 3421 and 3444 relating to the review and approval process.

Submit levy request for approval through all levels of management.

The levy request must be accompanied by a memorandum to the DD/ADD documenting the lack of availability of other assets for collection. The availability of future income from the commercial sale of fish or wildlife must be considered before approval of the seizure of a state fish and/or wildlife permit.

Document history.



Principal Residence Seizure



Court approval is now required prior to seizure of principal residence. At this time, procedures for obtaining court approval have not been developed. Pending development of these procedures, there should be no administrative seizures of principal residence. Instead, consider a suit to enforce the Federal tax lien - see IRM 56(19)2.3.



Me, again:



Don't you love it? Just one more example, and blatant admission, that there are not now, and never have been, "...procedures for obtaining court approval...."



Amazing.



THAT'S the reason the IRS rarely initiates court action: Burden of proof, and all that stuff.



Yet, at the same:



The bastards don't mind one little bit if you or I become the plaintiff simply because things like "rules of evidence" and the such don't matter in "court."



Oh, and yes, it was me who filed the bankruptcy.



Fascinating. Get this:



The alleged tax-debts are considered "secured debts."



The interest and penalities? UN-secured.



Question (that all of us here would ask):



Exactly WHAT is the "security" invovled?



Answer: It doesn't matter because BB, the IRS, and State agents are going to continue doing what they do best: Ignoring the law in order to take our money.



Oh, God. I'm ranting. Hope the link and info helps.



BTW: The thanks for this "tip" goes to a really great gentleman at the IRS here in Virginia.





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Old 10-15-2004, 12:16 PM
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IRS can't take primary residence for non-payment of taxes.

I'd heard that they couldn't take primary residence in the early 90's. However, they continued to do so.



I've read elsewhere that the IRS will do everything they can to get someone to abandon the house, then they move in and claim it.



Yet another way of getting you to volunteer to give up something to them.



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Old 10-16-2004, 08:06 PM
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IRS can't take primary residence for non-payment of taxes.

Randy,



Long time - no see.



Rant away, my friend. Good to hear from ya... hope all is well.



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Old 10-18-2004, 05:02 AM
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Mornin', Ice...



Yeah, been a busy summer in that big ol' truck. (Talk about a topic for some serious ranting--try the trucking industry. Geesh)



Oh, you'll love this (re our bankruptcy, tax debts, etc), our "officer of the court" (aka, lawyer--wait, gotta get back to her) has stated that if we receive one more "anything" from the State tax agents, she's taking them to court for violation of Fair Debt practices, harrassment, etc.



So, go figure--and I know everyone here knows all this. But ain't it sweet that all the "they's" out there can torment the hell out of us, but jump back into their circles of web, deceit, and lies, and then they all agree to play by their own "rules."



Anyway....about our "lawyer."



I noticed, in her office, that she's not "just" a lawyer, but licensed to practice before THE Supreme Court. (Okay. I'm impressed.)



Also, however, hanging on a wall, is a poster. Kind of an artsy-looking thing: Man standing in court, etc. The caption is a quote, ostensibly by Clarence Darrow.



The quote, paraphrased, is something like: "Only a fool goes to court looking for justice. It's all about winning."



(I've looked everywhere for both the quote and the poster--can't find either.)



I asked her if she agreed with the quote. I DO remember her answer:



First, she sighed...noticeably! Then simply said, "Yes, after all these years, it is true. There is no justice. Nothing matters but winning."



What she didn't say--and by this time she knew enough about me to know she didn't have to--was that "winning" meant ignoring the "real" truth and law and agreeing to play by a bunch of "pretend" rules, and so forth.



Ain't this a hell of a mess? Stand for "real" truth and "they" will hammer your ass hard! "Play along" and they still hammer you, only less hard.



Ah, it is, at last, at least to some degree, laughable. But how much longer can this insanity go on, right?



Let me get outta here. Hadn't thought about that quote for a while. Gonna see if I can find it.....



Be safe, Ice.



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Old 09-21-2007, 05:42 PM
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Maybe I read this quickly but doesn't this only apply to tax debts under 5K? Anything more than 5K and they can take the house away...

Some states like Texas have full protection under the Homestead Act, but I don't know if that applies to taxes or just other liabilities.

Finally, I don't get how income taxes are "secured" debt. What does the debt attach to?
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