How to Eliminate Property Taxes - Page 2

rottweiler · #11 09-24-2007, 12:16 PM

You waived your rights. Determine how that happened first. When you cease waiving your rights the property tax will cease also.

gldskr · #12 09-24-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewmitch

In doing some more research, it seems as though (at least in Connecticut) that the property tax attaches itself to the property and not the owner:

I really think the property tax liability attaches to the real estate.

Do you guys think it doesn't matter even if the tax attaches to the RE? IE there is still a way out?

Yes, yes, yes, stop beating yourself over the head. The property tax is assessed against the property, but it is the registered owner who bears the liability. It is a contractual relationship voluntarily entered into by the "purchaser" who applies for the registration. What more can be said?

Stop reading codes and applying them to your situation, they don't apply unless you choose them to. Start reading law. The constitution guarantees us the unlimited right to contract. Buying property is an exercise of that right. Do not accept the assignments of previous contracts and do not enter into new ones. Its as simple as that.

Create a firm foundation for your property claim and then be prepared to defend it.

gldskr

farmer_giles_of_ham · #13 09-24-2007, 04:58 PM

Property taxes are liened on the house. They are not personal.

These liens have legal priority in front of ALL OTHER CHARGES...usually.

Bankruptcy might stall them but in theory these charges will be excluded. They are not personal. The bill is sent to the last owner of record for public notice.

So you need to get the property into a tax-free status from the get-go. Like an exemption for a homeless shelter. Or lien it yourself to secure your interest and deed it over to the county- maybe public property is exempt, or self-paid.

Or "un-attach" the tax authority by termination of contract, if that works.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

andrewmitch · #14 09-27-2007, 07:58 AM

Changing the status of your house still puts you under their authority and they can change the rules any time.

How do you cancel the contract with Town or County? Have you done it (successfully)?

farmer_giles_of_ham · #15 09-27-2007, 09:03 AM

Rules change, that's life. Deal with it. If you can change the legal status on the property then you win, if only for a moment.

I stopped paying my mortgage so the bank started paying the taxes, several years worth. Thanks, bank! It's easier to hold them off anyway. This is all about process, there is no one point of closure. Did I 'win'? I got temporary relief. This mortal coil aint pemanent.

The theory I work with is that the contract is re-negotiated with every new tax registration/sales slip. This is a form that is filled when registering a change of title. So one could simply mark it 'without prejudice all rights resevered', but in line with my understanding we need to prove priority over all other creditors. So the tax statement should be made, 'subject to ucc lien# xxx", or "priority lien xxx" meaning the property gets liened before hand and the subsequent transaction of title-transfer is subjected to this higher priority. If it gets proccessed and recorded this way that's a good case to make for your 'rights'!

I figure all this sending notice and what not is better accomplished in the act itself- record it on their official documents from the beginning. "All Rights Reserved" in the signature line.

I named the county as a debtor on the UCC1 form that marked the actual lien filing.

but I really like the idea of putting the property in the county name subject to a recorded security. Do they even tax properties under their own shield? Or maybe they pay the bill to themselves.

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/showpo...31&postcount=8

andrewmitch · #16 09-28-2007, 06:18 AM

RE: transfering the Real Estate to the County...I don't think that will work.

They will either

1) Accept the transfer and turn around and sell it

2) Not accept the transfer

3) Or accept the transfer, not pay taxes, and then physically repossess the house because taxes weren't paid

Is there any truth to the Corporate Soles? I believe they are real but only for bonda fide churches. Of course I have someone breathing in my ear that for $2500 he can create a Corp Sole for me and that my property tax problems will go away.

farmer_giles_of_ham · #17 09-28-2007, 08:31 AM

You may be right.... but regarding the points made-

There is no question of "accepting" or "not accepting" any transfers. All that happens is a document is recorded in the registry and a notation made on a computer. It's just info and in theory no judgements are made at the time.

If the county tries to sell the property we have the liens pre-positioned to give legal priority over the titled holder, like any mortgage foreclosure.

If they dont pay the taxes in the first year then you know it didn't work and you can pay them yourself like you would have had to anyway, if you go that route.

There are 3 years of default to pay a tax lien before any auction- it doesn't happen overnight.

Anyway the county would have to have a legal action against itself, which might not fly in court. It certainly sticks things up and is probably counterintuitive and least expected by the adversary.

Dont pay a cent to anyone ever! Whatever is real should be available for free. The main purpose of this "corporate sole" is to establish grounds for a legal exemption- being a church, probably. But I like 'homeless shelter' better.

whatever works.

andrewmitch · #18 09-28-2007, 03:23 PM

Another thing I have been thinking....Property Taxes come from the State Level. Therefore, I am not sure how rejecting your US Citizenship and only claiming State Citizenship would help here. It almost seems that for the property tax issue you are better of ONLY claiming a US Citizenship and rejecting your state status.

rottweiler · #19 09-28-2007, 07:21 PM

Read this.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/cmlaw1.htm
There are 13 parts and when you are done you will have your answer.

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Originally Posted by andrewmitch

Another thing I have been thinking....Property Taxes come from the State Level. Therefore, I am not sure how rejecting your US Citizenship and only claiming State Citizenship would help here. It almost seems that for the property tax issue you are better of ONLY claiming a US Citizenship and rejecting your state status.

andrewmitch · #20 09-30-2007, 04:59 PM

I read it quickly - what was I looking for? The point of the writings seem to be that we are still a British Colony. If you read the Treaty of Paris I can't see how you can back that conclusion.

Again, the point I was making is that property tax gets is jurisdiction from the State level; therefore I didn't think that claiming State Citizenship only would stop the property tax.

Maybe you can explain more?