How to Eliminate Property Taxes

[rottweiler]

No, you still don't know the difference between the de-jure government and the de-facto government. The de jure is in the equity and common law jurisdiction and the de-facto uses the admiralty jurisdiction.

The de-jure government is the original. The de facto is a imposter. Come on man, what is so freaking hard to understand about that? The ALL-CAPS is a mark of the imposter. You have no property under the imposter! "Your" real estate is actually theirs, you gave it to them out of your own ignorance. You are basically renting it back from them.

The private corporation called the UNITED STATES, which was incorporated in 1871, is the "British colony". What you think are STATES are it's franchises. The 1783 Treaty of Paris was between the de-jure united states of America formed under the Articles of Confederation and England. That treaty is still in force but it doesn't apply to you yet because you are under the fake government.

Why do you think your name is in ALL- CAPS on all their paperwork? The ALL-CAPS is their name, not yours.

You told me you watched the Badnarik videos. If you did you would know what a 14th amendment citizen is. That is who is liable for property tax, not Citizens of the 50 states. Citizens of the 50 states own property, 14th amendment citizens are property. If you truly own something it can not be lawfully taxed. Your legal status became that of a 14th amendment citizen when your parents contracted with the private corporation by the contract called the marriage license and then you were born into the UNITED STATES shortly after your mother gave birth to you. They numbered you and here you are, a FEDERAL RESERVE account.

Originally Posted by andrewmitch

I read it quickly - what was I looking for? The point of the writings seem to be that we are still a British Colony. If you read the Treaty of Paris I can't see how you can back that conclusion.

Again, the point I was making is that property tax gets is jurisdiction from the State level; therefore I didn't think that claiming State Citizenship only would stop the property tax.

Maybe you can explain more?

[andrewmitch]

I have been aware of this claim for some time now but I can not prove it. Let's try and get back on topic....Are we saying that we need to reclaim our state citizenship? I get the 14th amemdent claim - I watched the videos and they were great but to be honestly with you, I was already familiar w/ that info...You also gave me "Invisible Contracts" to read. The one thing I took away from that is that the 14 Amendment claim is bogus; what it says is that regardless of our status as long as we accept a benefit we are in their debt.

So you see the conflicting info? None of my sources can ever agree on anything which is why I am so confused. However, I think logically "Invisible Contracts" is right; that we need to reject all benefits and not claim any status w/ the word "Citizen" in the title.

[rottweiler]

I am not going to openly admit anything to anyone with power to hurt me that I am a citizen of anything so what difference does it make? I was just trying to show you that there are two governments, a fake one and a real one. You are under the fake one. It was just for the sake of our personal edification only unless you want to hold a office other than the Office of the People. Can I be the de-jure Secretary of State without being a Citizen of Wisconsin: the land? Can I operate a general post office? Can I hold the office of magistrate if I live in China?

How can you receive a benefit from the fake government unless you are a 14th amendment citizen?
I never heard of anyone getting social security without a number have you? It is not possible to be a under the fake government without being a 14th amendment citizen and vice versa.

A Citizen of Wisconsin has a different status then a citizen of WISCONSIN. The former is a man with rights, the latter is a corporate personage with immunities and privileges.

When I look at the word privileges I see fee, feudal system, federal, village, villain, liege lord, etc. That is what is behind licenses, property tax, social security, income tax, FRN's etc. You contracted into a feud, but as for me I am not bending down to swear allegiance to a lord, instead I am telling them to kiss my ass!!!!!

villenage:the holding of land at the will of a feudal lord
2: the status of a villein.

Do you know why they were called villeins?
1)they had a lien on them.
2)they were considered criminals.
3)If they knew God's law they never would remain under such a contract and call another man lord.

Originally Posted by andrewmitch

I have been aware of this claim for some time now but I can not prove it. Let's try and get back on topic....Are we saying that we need to reclaim our state citizenship? I get the 14th amemdent claim - I watched the videos and they were great but to be honestly with you, I was already familiar w/ that info...You also gave me "Invisible Contracts" to read. The one thing I took away from that is that the 14 Amendment claim is bogus; what it says is that regardless of our status as long as we accept a benefit we are in their debt.

So you see the conflicting info? None of my sources can ever agree on anything which is why I am so confused. However, I think logically "Invisible Contracts" is right; that we need to reject all benefits and not claim any status w/ the word "Citizen" in the title.

[Friendsplacect]

Read this.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/cmlaw1.htm
There are 13 parts and when you are done you will have your answer.

I think thats a great read however I remember playing email tag with Elden Warman and he was a believe in the "NASARA" garbage which threw me for a little loop.

[ThomPaine]

Originally Posted by andrewmitch

Another thing I have been thinking....Property Taxes come from the State Level. Therefore, I am not sure how rejecting your US Citizenship and only claiming State Citizenship would help here. It almost seems that for the property tax issue you are better of ONLY claiming a US Citizenship and rejecting your state status.

claim whatever citizenship you want, I am a sovereign and free man:

Black's Law Dictionary, 6th edition defines Citizen as follows:

One, who under the Constitution and laws of the United States, or of a particular state, is a member of the political community, owing allegiance and being entitled to the enjoyment of full civil rights. All persons born
or naturalised in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. (see U.S. Constitution, 14th Amendment)

Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associated capacity have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of a government for the promotion of their general welfare and the protection of
their individual as well as collective rights. (Herriot v City of Seattle)

A corporation is not a citizen for purposes of the priveleges and immunities clause of the 14th Amendment, which says:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the priveleges or immunties of citizens of the United States.

Article IV of the Constitution states that the Citizens of a State shall be entitled to the Priveleges and Immunities of the Citizens of the several States.

[andrewmitch]

Hey, I agree w/ you that being a citizen is a bad thing. I was just trying to discern the advantage of those who recommend being a state citizen.

Do you pay property taxes?

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

since property taxes are not personal what's the difference regarding your personality?

[andrewmitch]

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

since property taxes are not personal what's the difference regarding your personality?

I am not sure I understand your question? Can you please explain? Specifically what you mean by "personality"? Thanks.

[rottweiler]

When Papal legates used to travel to different countries they took scribes with them to mark their documents to show that those docs were foreign to the state they were visiting. That scribe became the public notary of today.

If you look at your deed it has a public notary stamp. That means you are a foreigner in your own land and in no way the children of the King.

Sovereigns don't pay tax on their property and they have no need for witnesses or public notaries because their seal is good.

KJMatt.17
"24": And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

"25": He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

"26": Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

"27": Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

[PANICPASS]

I think the key word here is DEBTOR. Federal Reserve Notes are DEBT notes. While the 14th Amendment citizenship may have merit all 14 Amendment citizens are debtors and are bankrupt. For the most part they will put everyone in the debtor category regardless of whether you have an SSN or not.

Remedy to that situation is what is called Redemption, although I am not endorsing any redemption strategy.