How to Eliminate Property Taxes

[andrewmitch]

If anyone has actually successully found a way to stop legally paying property taxes can you please share w/ us?

I think I have a system to try but the lynch pin in my plan (which I can share) is that, I think, the property tax attaches to the house and not to a person/entity. Can anyone confirm (w/ do***entation) that they property tax attaches to the house? (my plan is a series of transfering the burden to a legal entity that becomes bankrupt; maybe charge a gold coin for each...also, using Friendly Liens and/or Common Law Liens to ensure that if you lose to the tax lien you at least get your equity back)

I may also have a way to reduce property taxes (that I can share) but there are some drawbacks and it's only a discount. (using a 501C3 combined w/ challenging the assessment could save 20%)

I have heard claims that the Corporate Sole, Land Patent, and merely unrecording will work but I just don't see how that can be.

I guess to determine how to eliminate the tax is to determine why we pay. In Connecticut, I think it is because of state statute and on the deed they write "will assume all taxes". The point is I think there is more than 1 reason why we pay; therefore we need mulitiple strategies to get out.

[gldskr]

Eliminating property taxes begins with the initial transaction and no I don't have a verifiable success story. But I believe my conclusions are based upon sound logic and reasoning.

The transaction must not be statutorily regulated. This means that there can be no realtors, mortgages, fictional entities or recording involved. A minimum of 21 silver dollars is required to preserve your trial by jury rights and the need for consideration of substance.

Make sure the seller has paid the entire tax bill for that year and do not write any assignment clause into the contract. It is this clause, in addition to recording, that en***bers the property. By recording, you are making an offer (applying) to be included in their taxing database and associated regulations. It is an option contract, exercisable yearly by the taxing authorities with ever changing terms. They will gladly accept your offer.

Assemble your land patent sandwich and publish the transaction in your local newspaper for 4 weeks. This is in lieu of the recorder and establishes your lawful claim to the property. The county recorder and the recorder of deeds are two separate entities. One is lawful the other legal, however, if you try to record your deed with the lawful entity they will transfer your do***ents to the legal entity, opening up a messy can of worms.

Stay out of the statutory jurisdiction and you will have a firm foundation to support your allodial claim. There is no silver bullet, but what you propose merely tranforms mud into sludge.

gldskr

[gldskr]

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[andrewmitch]

thanks for the reply

i do appreciate your advice regarding to keep away from any statutory regulations....in Connecticut, we need lawyers to do closings but not to do title transfers so that would work.

what do you mean by turning mud into sludge?

under your way, can you still have a mortgage?

so your plan requires the Land Patent? I was thinking that Adverse Possession (15 years in my state) may be a better route (especially if there is a mortgate)

it seems that your way is similar to what I was thinking (in terms of get the tax liability off your deed and keep the records out of the clerk's office) BUT BUT BUT the key questions is:

WHAT DOES THE PROPERTY TAX ATTACH TO? THE OWNER OR THE HOUSE ITSELF?

[gldskr]

thanks for the reply

i do appreciate your advice regarding to keep away from any statutory regulations....in Connecticut, we need lawyers to do closings but not to do title transfers so that would work. Because closings are a statutory process and simple title transfers are rights guaranteed by the constitution. Buying property is no different than buying apples, it is the interlopers that make the process complex.

what do you mean by turning mud into sludge?
What you propose is to take an ordinary statutory transaction (mud) and layer it with additional statutory entities and imaginary en***brances (sludge) in the hope that somehow you can avoid the sh!t hitting the fan. When that fan starts blowing mud is much easier to wash off.

under your way, can you still have a mortgage?
If your property has an existing mortgage it probably contains terms binding you to the statutory scheme. Banks have a vested interest in this scheme and its doubtful they will lend any other way.

so your plan requires the Land Patent? I was thinking that Adverse Possession (15 years in my state) may be a better route (especially if there is a mortgate)
Proper acceptance of the land patent is the cornerstone of allodial ownership, without it you are merely a tenant.

it seems that your way is similar to what I was thinking (in terms of get the tax liability off your deed and keep the records out of the clerk's office) BUT BUT BUT the key questions is:

WHAT DOES THE PROPERTY TAX ATTACH TO? THE OWNER OR THE HOUSE ITSELF?
The tax is assessed against the property and is the liability of the registered owner. Recording is what establishes the liability and a tax lien supersedes all prior liens. Ceasar always gets his pound of flesh first.

gldskr -----

[rottweiler]

A properly prepared land patent will work otherwise there is another way. It will take a cancellation of all foreign instruments. No more benefits from the federal union, you have to work for cash. Send me a PM if you are still interested.

[andrewmitch]

Then based on the last 2 postings if all of those things are followed (ie pay off your mortgage, obtain your LP, unrecord your house, etc) then there is no reason why anyone can't eliminate property taxes (paying off the mortgage being the biggest challenge of course). Right? So why haven't more people done it?

I am going to try and do***ent each one of those steps (ie "How to get your LP", "How to unrecord your house", "How to pay off your mortgage faster", etc) and any input you have will be appreciated.

Perhaps I will post the do***entation here and then we can work as a group to treak it until it's been perfected?

What do you guys think?

[andrewmitch]

In doing some more research, it seems as though (at least in Connecticut) that the property tax attaches itself to the property and not the owner:

Sec. 12-81a. Property subject to tax exemption. Liability of purchaser. (a) The purchaser, his heirs, successors or assigns, of any property which, on the assessment date prior to such sale, was tax-exempt to any extent in accordance with the provisions of section 12-81 or with respect to which taxes for the current tax year were abated to any extent in accordance with the provisions of chapter 204, shall be liable for the payment of municipal taxes on that portion of such property which was so exempt or with respect to which taxes were so abated, from the date on which the conveyance is placed on the land records of the town in which such property is situated, as provided in subsection (b) of this section, including a prorated share of taxes for the tax year in which the transfer took place. Such liability shall attach to the property as a charge thereon.
(b) Such purchaser shall place the deed or other instrument by which such property was conveyed on the land records of the town in which it is situated within ten days after such instrument is delivered to him and, in addition, shall within the same period notify, in writing, the assessor of the town of the transfer; provided, if the purchaser fails so to record the deed or instrument, such failure shall waive rights of appeal as provided hereinafter and shall subject the purchaser to a ten per cent surtax.

(c) Notwithstanding other provisions of this chapter, not later than fifteen days after receipt by the assessor of such notice of purchase, the assessor shall add such property or the exempt portion thereof, to the taxable grand list of the town in the name of the purchaser at its normal full assessment value, subject to any exemption for which such purchaser may be eligible in accordance with the provisions of section 12-81, prorated from the date of transfer to the next assessment date, and shall not later than five days thereafter notify the purchaser and the tax collector of the town of the assessment so placed upon the property.

(d) The purchaser may appeal the doings of the assessor to the board of assessment appeals and the Superior Court as otherwise provided in this chapter; provided such appeal shall be extended in time to the next succeeding board of assessment appeals, if the statutory period for the meeting of such board has passed.

(e) Upon receipt of such notice from the assessor, the tax collector of the town shall, if such notice is received after the normal billing date, within ten days thereafter mail or hand a bill to the purchaser based upon an amount prorated by the assessor. Such tax shall be due and payable and collectible as other municipal taxes and subject to the same liens and processes of collection; provided such tax shall be due and payable in an initial or single installment due and payable not sooner than thirty days after the date such bill is mailed or handed to the purchaser, and in any remaining, regular installments, as the same are due and payable, and the several installments of a tax so due and payable shall be equal.

(f) The provisions of this section shall not apply to any purchaser the property of which is exempt from taxation.

[andrewmitch]

I really think the property tax liability attaches to the real estate. It would be way too easy of a loop hole if the liability attached person plus it would not be a secured debt (ie the house is what guarantees the tax will be paid; don't pay the tax they sell the house to pay for the tax)

[andrewmitch]

Can anyone disprove that the tax attaches to the real estate?

Do you guys think it doesn't matter even if the tax attaches to the RE? IE there is still a way out?