Rae Copitka and Loma Wharton

[drewenterprises]

A letter from Jim Shaver.
03/26/1993
http://www.alweaver.com/shaver/exhibita-1.htm.
Jim Shaver called Michael Badnarik's radio show and said Rae Copitka and Loma
Wharton(Michael's cohosts) have done more than anyone has done in fourteen years
to challenge the fraud concerning county officials across the states.




.I have not found many comments regarding these recent , here are a couple.
Jan Jackson from here:
http://coloradosprings.yourhub.com/C...r /> National
-Politics/Blog~359341.aspx

..."On August the 8th, 2007, two women, including Rae Copitka and Loma
Wharton
stood before the Douglas County Commission in Roseburg, Oregon, and accused
Douglas County employees and officials of committing felonies."

These two women said that "the County Clerk, the Recorder, the Sheriff, and the
Commissioners all were parties to the commission of multiple felonies..."

The alleged felonies were "that of 'conversion' and 'counterfeiting securities'
by recording worthless pieces of paper and recording those documents as though
they were real."

"These two community-minded women launched an attack upon the County's
mishandling of the IRS 'Notices of Federal Tax Lien.' The County Recorder, who
works for the Clerk, has for years recorded the notices as though they
constituted actual liens."

"The ladies did considerable research and organization of the data before
placing their information before the Douglas County Commissioners."

A summary of these alleged felonies are:

"1. An unidentified IRS employee sends via U.S. Mail a "Notice of Federal Lien"
bearing no wet-ink signature or penalty-of-perjury certification statement to
the County Recorder (hereinafter "Clerk"),

2. Neither the Clerk demands nor the IRS employee offers proof that:
a. Any valid lien existed for which the IRS employee sent notice, or
b. Any senior U.S. Treasury Department official authorized the IRS employee
actually to enforce the collection of taxes,

3. The Clerk stamps a serial number upon the notice, thereby making into a
security,

4. The Clerk stamps a seal of office upon the notice,

5. The Clerk records the "Notice of Federal Lien" in the official public records
of the county,

6. The Clerk places the notice into the system of records reserved for liens.
This effectively creates a lien out of thin air, and ruins the victim's credit
rating,

7. The IRS employee purchases a copy of the lien index and uses that as the
basis for issuing a Notice of Levy against the property,

8. The IRS employee issues the Notice of Levy and uses it to initiate a process
that results in the forced sale of the property,

9. The lien and levy encumber the property with an IRS claim of right which the
Clerks makes no effort to substantiate. Until the IRS releases the lien, the
victim-owner cannot sell the property because the buyer cannot obtain a title
insurance policy and therefore no bank will take a mortgage or loan money on the
property,

10. The IRS gets the all money from the sale, and the erstwhile owner gets
nothing."

According to the information the ladies placed before the commissioners:

1. No actual lien exists from which the IRS employee sends notice,

2. No IRS Assessment Officer created the summary record of assessment which
provides the basis for the lien as required by law, *

3. No IRS Assessment Officer signs the assessment certificate under penalty of
perjury as required by law, **

4. The Clerk and the IRS employee conspire fraudulently to concert a worthless
notice of Federal Lien into a lien,

5. The Clerk thereby creates a negotiable security which the party secured my
use as the basis to sell or foreclose upon the associated real property,

6. The process creates a counterfeit security and constitutes fraud, extortion
and racketeering."

This means, according to the author of this article, that "the States have
entered into an unholy alliance with the IRS by requiring the Counties to record
into a system of records reserved for liens, Notices of Federal Liens, that are
not liens, as though they were liens. That no lien, no summary record of
assessment and affidavit in support of a summary record of assessment exists.
The State and the County employees and officials are perpetrating felonious acts
for the benefit of the IRS."

And that, "in this process, the Clerk, the Recorder, the Sheriff, along with any
and all official office holders and policy makers, who are, with knowledge,
guilty of a multitude of felony crimes [such as] Counterfeiting Securities,
fraud, extortion, racketeering, official misconduct, falsifying documents, abuse
of seal, are just a few of the felonies being committed against the citizens of
each and every county in each and every state in the Union."

Also that, "Both criminal and civil damage that has been done to property owners
for decades. Subsequently, all of the officeholders and policy makers who have
had a hand I this "conversion" are subject to both criminal prosecution and
civil suits. There would be no immunity for damages done in the perpetration of
a crime carried out by an office holder or policy maker.

The author of this article asks, "How many homes have been seized and sold via
this process? How many lives have been destroyed by this process? How many
families have been broken apart by this process? How many suicides have been
brought about by this process?"

Jan...

From here:
http://www.quatloos.com/qforum/viewt...r=<br /> asc&
start=15&sid=87cc242aee2849fbca45753bc0c1170b

Dezcad
Pirate Captain
Post Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:17 pm
About 2/3rds through the meeting, Rae threatened that they were going to sue the
county commissioners personally. One of the commissioners had a great question
(especially since these people stated the courts were in collusion with the
government), when he asked:

"In what court?"

After the other commissioner stopped chuckling, Rae (obviously startled) says:

"You know what. It just might be the common law People's Court, if thats what
it takes."

Rae then sits down.

Oh yeah, those county commissioners must be dreadfully scared of the "common
law People's Court"

From here: http://www.co.douglas.or.us/bocwebcasts.asp

42 minutes. Rae Copitka begins at 7:40 minutes into the video.
08/08/2007 10:00 AM BOC Wednesday Public Meeting
Download:
http://media.co.douglas.or.us/BOC_Re...08_08_2007.wmv
Stream:
mms://media.co.douglas.or.us/Archive/BOC_Regular_public_Meeting_08_08_2007.wmv

52 minutes.
Citizens comments begin 23 minutes into video.
08/29/2007 10:00 AM BOC Wednesday Public Meeting
Download:
http://media.co.douglas.or.us/BOC_Re...08_29_2007.wmv
Stream:
mms://media.co.douglas.or.us/Archive/BOC_Regular_public_Meeting_08_29_2007.wmv

1 hour 40 minutes. The pledge to the admiralty flag ends 2:00 minutes into the
video.
09/07/2007 3:30 PM BOC Special Tax Liens Meeting
Download:
http://media.co.douglas.or.us/BOC_Sp...09_07_2007.wmv
Stream:
mms://media.co.douglas.or.us/Archive/BOC_Special_Tax_Liens_Meeting_09_07_2007.
wmv


From Michael Badnarik's radio archive:
http://mp3.wtprn.com/Badnarik07.html
Tue., September 4, 2007:
Program #096 Cohosts: Rae Copitka and Loma Warden, from Douglas County, Oregon

Tue., September 11, 2007:
Program #101 Cohosts: Rae Copitka and Loma Wharton, local
heroes/heroines/heretics from Douglas County, Oregon

[PANICPASS]

So what is being done as a result of the confrontation with the county? What is the county doing about it? That's what matters.

[weishaupt1776]

Okay, i am reading Shaver's Open Letter to The Sheriff; but the letter fails to provide any law citations to substatiate some of his allegations

You recognize a valid commercial Lien, WHICH INCLUDES VALID TAX LIENS, by understanding that a valid tax Lien is required to contain these necessary elements:

1. The lien instrument must evidently/patently/obviously be a LIEN preferably by being formally and clearly titled "LIEN", "CLAIM OF LIEN", "DECLARATION OF LIEN", or "AFFIDAVIT OF OBLIGATION" and MANDATORILY by its exhaustive commercial content (full disclosure} as follows in (2), (3), and (4).
2. The lien must contain an Affidavit containing a plain statement of fact disclosing how the obligation of the lien was created, established, or arose.
3. The lien must contain a ledger or bookkeeping statement connecting purchases, services rendered, and/or injuries sustained with a claim of obligation such that each purchase, service and/or injury is presented in a one-to-one correspondence with its partial claim or obligation. The partial obligations are then totaled to obtain the total obligation. This is called a True Bill in Commerce or an Itemized Statement.
4. The Lien must contain a statement, either specific or general, of the property being seized from the Lien Debtor to satisfy, or to guarantee satisfaction of, the obligation of the Lien.
5. The Lien (Affidavit of Obligation) mandates the necessity of the hand signed and notarized signature of the Affiant attesting to the validity of the Affidavit as being "true", "correct" and "certain" and the signature also affixes the responsibi1ity for the truthfulness, accuracy and certainty of the claim on the doorstep of the Affiant.

No footnotes, no citations, nothing?

How could you sue in federal Court for securities fraud, if the above 5 points have no law to back it up?

[PANICPASS]

Changing the index from Lien, to Notice of Lien shouldn't be a problem for the county, if that is what is happening. My county never has filed them as liens. They file them as Notice of Liens. But even a Notices of Lien is a fraud because signature cannot be verified. The recorder is required to get a verified signature on ALL instruments evidencing a debt. The recorder doesn't follow even the most basic of state rules.

The instruments constitute “fraudulent securities” in that these instruments are:

(a) Counterfeited to an evidence of debt;
(b) They are numbered;
(c) They are recorded;
(d) They are used in commerce to levy.

By accepting these Notices without verified signatures the recorder converts a non-negotiable instrument/non-“spendable” paper into a negotiable/ “spendable” ledger entry, and therefore has, without full disclosure, counterfeited a currency for the UNITED STATES.


I don't see the county doing what Rae and Loma want done, which is to file them not record them. Filing them is not public record and there would be no reason for IRS to send them to the recorder if the recorder just filed them.

[PANICPASS]

I don't see the county changing the way they are recording them. A lawsuit is not the solution because there are procedures you must go through first before taking it to court, otherwise your case will be thrown out for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted.

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by PANICPASS

The recorder is required to get a verified signature on ALL instruments evidencing a debt. The recorder doesn't follow even the most basic of state rules.

Can you produce a state statute which binds the recorder to such criteria?

[PANICPASS]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

Can you produce a state statute which binds the recorder to such criteria?

I didn't see your question until yesterday.

There is no statute binding a county recorder to such criteria. The recorder has a mandatory duty via his Oath of Office, pursuant to the expectation of the people, the Recorder must act and operate in protecting the rights of the people via said Oath in respect to the State Constitution. The recorder has a moral, legal, and lawful duty not to cause unwanted injury to another. In accordance with the Universal Imperatives (common law) the recorder must not engage in any activity such as extortion, lying, or breach of contract (the Constitution) which would cause unwanted injury to another. Those Universal Imperatives are codified in the codes of State of ________, its Penal Code, Civil Code and Business and Professions Code.

[cdsea10]

How do we prove to the clerk of the court that the notice of lien in inchoate … an imperfected lien. words mean nothing… showing the code means notice…
I meet a friend in dallas, texas who said write a letter to tax court for certified copies of all pending cases and or judgements against (person’s name) and if there are none to specifically state so in the letter, and then write US district court asking for certified copies of all pending cases and or judgements against (person’s name) and if there are none to specifically state so in the letter. Now create an affidavit of truth with these 2 documents and record them.

Now present the recorder with the documents and ask for their certified oath of office and the name and address of their bond holder and their bond number. Now the discussion of unlawful conversion takes on a whole new dimension because the recorder now has the burden of proof to prove the ‘notice of lien’ is perfected. Now we have proof.

Now, we go before the city council with the same argument but we have proof…
This is no longer our opinion, our interpretation of the code as it is written….“how can the clerk of the court record these documents when I have these documents from tax court and us district court stating there are no pending cases nor are their any judgements? And by the way may I have a certified copy of all your oaths of office and the name and address of your bonding company and your individual bond numbers.”

The possibilities get pretty exciting at this point. But it all starts with finding one person who has a NOTL and writing the letters as proof of claim of the fraud.

No liability given, no liability assumed, this information is for entertainment purposes … all rights reserved… charlie sewell

[mrg]

Good one.

I will store that one.

[cdsea10]

i talking with a friend to tighten it further ... include secretary of state and any UCC-1 and the local county court parnding or judgement in one's name added to the tax court and the us district court....

charlie sewell