Taxpayer Examined

[weishaupt1776]

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[Young Union]

Didn't read the whole thing, I'll probably finish tonight. But seems to me what it's saying is the tax protester movement is a fraud, and that there is a law that requires citizens to pay income tax on salaries and wages, which are otherwise considered private property. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Here is a question that has bothered me for a while now-how does one enter "interstate/international commerce" for firearms possesion? All the restrictions are defined in relation to these areas of commercial activity. For example, what does it mean to "possess a firearm in commerce"?

[palani]

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

Here is a question that has bothered me for a while now-how does one enter "interstate/international commerce" for firearms possesion? All the restrictions are defined in relation to these areas of commercial activity. For example, what does it mean to "possess a firearm in commerce"?

Simply buy one that was manufactured after 1899. You can still buy 'antique' and black powder arms without a single sheet of paper.

You are certainly free to build your own.

Be aware that the firearm includes the ammo. If your arm uses a cartridge you might want to manufacture your own ammo as well or at least pick a caliber that is no longer commercially available. The ammo has to avoid commerce as well.

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by Young Union

Didn't read the whole thing, I'll probably finish tonight. But seems to me what it's saying is the tax protester movement is a fraud, and that there is a law that requires citizens to pay income tax on salaries and wages, which are otherwise considered private property. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yup, if you want to be a U.S. Citizen pursuant to the 14th amendment, all laws apply

The Tax Protestor movement is tired

[ThomPaine]

Black's 6th says National is broader than Citizen and refers to a person owing permanent allegience to a state.

Somehow when I hear 'foreign national' in a movie, on tv, etc., I dont think citizen for some reason. If they were interchangeable, why not just say a Spaniard or a Brit or a Spanish Citizen? Why say a Spanish National?

SO if one were a national but not a citizen (if this is legally possible) would that bind you back into the system (to pay taxes)

I believe there are several legal ways to avoid taxes, so depending on which strategy is used, a national may be able to legally avoid taxation.

"He who receives the benefit, shall also bear the burden"

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by Ownmaster

What happens if a national still pays fed taxes? Is it truly voluntary or does it suck him back in to the system 100%?

Yup, could be another stick to throw in the presumption fire

[ss_stealth]

Originally Posted by ThomPaine

Black's 6th says National is broader than Citizen and refers to a person owing permanent allegiance to a state.

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SO if one were a national but not a citizen (if this is legally possible) would that bind you back into the system (to pay taxes)

I believe there are several legal ways to avoid taxes, so depending on which strategy is used, a national may be able to legally avoid taxation.

"He who receives the benefit, shall also bear the burden"

I'm not sure what the rulebooks say on Nationals but if I assume that they cannot "benefit" from programs like Social Security or vote for representation then I would expect that they wouldn't bear any "burden" by way of taxation. Although, if you're a foreign national who earns a living in the USA and is paid in FRNs then you might be presumed to be benefiting from the elastic currency and, therefore, be liable to bear some sort of burden (tax). I can't imagine that making use of that one "benefit" (the FRNs) would throw you 100% into US Citizenship. Here in Maine, I use Canadian coins like they were USA coins but I doubt that gives me dual citizenship.

My dad's older brother currently lives in China. He was home a few months ago and told me that he doesn't have to pay income tax on his salary as long as he spends more than 11 months out of the year in China. I'd imagine that he is an United States National living/working in China.

This all makes me think that if I were simply a Maine National instead of a US Citizen I could use FRNs without too much of a hassle. Here I was thinking that those with "corrected status" were forced to barter grams of gold (or something) instead of dealing in cash!

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by ss_stealth

Here I was thinking that those with "corrected status" were forced to barter grams of gold (or something) instead of dealing in cash!

We have a currency protest in our paperwork to where we get them to tacitly admit that we cannot discharge a debt with a FRN

[fulltitle]

Without Prejudice.
The tax protestor movement was/is perhaps... a TRAAAP! Much misinformation designed to keep folks from seeing the truth. There is in fact a way to perfect 100% tax exemption from U.S. taxes.

Regarding firearms: simply the BATF types will look to the serial number on the weapon called a 'firearm' (you might do well to be careful about that statutory terminology!) to determine whether it was involved in interstate commerce. Quite frankly, IMHO you're better off rolling your own. Many receivers can be made cheaply and easily. Also from the BATF perspective, its typically the receiver that is "the firearm" for Federal/commerce among the States. If the receiver was made by a Federally licensed entity then thats where you get your Federal markings. Nothing here is to condone unlawful application of any technology.

P.S. Putting "Made in the U.S.A." on your DIY cannon might be pretty stupid. :-) You might want some bullets too.