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MORE DECEIT FROM THE ANTI SUI JURIS!!!
That is because you don't win by arguing in court, instead you lose to the lie-yers and the black robed banker.
You win before the case ever sees a court room hence no court decision.
This forum isn't here for the lie-yer type legal BS. Take it somewhere else.
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04-21-2008, 07:03 AM
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Note the date of the decision...1926. Brushaber was decided in 1916. In the event of conflict between the two, Bowers wins because it was decided later in time.
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This has already been addressed: see post #54, and, as you can see, the Court was paraphrasing the argument of the Solicitor General, which was rejected outright. It wasn't the opinion of the Court. This has been pointed out to you several times, yet you continue with your subterfuge.
Will the subterfuge and deceit never end???
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04-21-2008, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by indago
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Will the subterfuge and deceit never end???
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"When in the course of human events..."
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04-21-2008, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by indago
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This has already been addressed: see post #54, and, as you can see, the Court was paraphrasing the argument of the Solicitor General, which was rejected outright. It wasn't the opinion of the Court. This has been pointed out to you several times, yet you continue with your subterfuge.
Will the subterfuge and deceit never end???
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Perhaps the Brushaber court was paraphrasing the Solicitor-General's argument. The Bowers court was not. Here is the ENTIRE TEXT of the Bowers decision, 271 U.S. 170:
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BOWERS, Collector of Internal Revenue, v. KERBAUGH-EMPIRE CO.
No. 173.
Argued Jan. 25, 1926.
Decided May 3, 1926.
Mr. Justice BUTLER delivered the opinion of the Court.
Defendant in error, a New York corporation, sued to recover $5,198.77 paid under protest on account of income taxes for 1921. Revenue Act 1921, c. 136, 42 Stat. 227, 252, et seq. (Comp. St. Ann. Supp. 1923, 6336 1/8 a et seq.).
It owned all the capital stock of H. S. Kerbaugh, Incorporated, engaged in the performance of large construction contracts, and applied to the Deutsche Bank of Germany, through its New York representative, for loans to finance the work being done by its subsidiary. The bank agreed that it would make the loans by cabling to the credit of its New York representative German marks equivalent in dollars to the requirements of defendant in error, upon condition that the loans would be evidenced by notes payable as to principal and interest in marks or their equivalent in United States gold coin at prime bankers' rate in New York for cable transfers to Berlin. June 8, 1911, defendant in error advised the New York representative of the amount in dollars then needed; he notified his principal and it put to his credit in a New York bank marks equivalent to the amount of money of the United States applied for. Then he drew his check payable in dollars against the credit and gave it to defendant in error, and in exchange received the promissory note of the latter payable in marks or their equivalent in gold coin of the United States. Prior to July 2, 1913, 24 loans were made in this manner, amounting in all to $1,983,000. The equivalent in marks was 8,341,337.50. September 1, 1913, there remained unpaid 6,740,800 marks. The notes of defendant in error then outstanding were surrendered and its new note for that amount was given. And when that note became due it was renewed. Partial payments were made and, by March 31, 1915, the principal was reduced to 3,216,445 marks.
The several amounts from time to time borrowed by defendant in error were contemporaneously advanced to its subsidiary and were expended and lost in and about the performance of the construction contracts. These losses were sustained in 1913, 1914, 1916, 1917, and 1918, and were allowed as deductions in the subsidiary's income tax returns for those years. The excess of its losses over income was more than the amount here claimed by plaintiff in error to be income of defendant in error in 1921.
After the United States entered the War the Deutsche Bank was an alien enemy. In 1921, on the demand of the Alien Property Custodian, defendant in error paid him $113,688.23 in full settlement of principal and interest owing on the note belonging to the bank. Of that amount $80, 411.12 represented principal. The settlement was on the basis of 2 1/2 cents per mark. Measured by United States gold coin the difference between the value of the marks borrowed at the time the loans were made and the amount paid to the Custodian was $684,456.18. The Commissioner of Internal Revenue, notwithstanding the claim of defendant in error that the amount borrowed had been lost in construction operations carried on by it and its subsidiary, and that no income resulted from the transaction, held the amount to be income and chargeable to defendant in error for 1921. Excluding that item, the tax return for 1921 shows a deficit of.$581,254. 77.
The defendant in error by its complaint set forth the facts above stated and asserted-as it still insists-that the diminution in value of the marks was not income within the meaning of the Sixteenth Amendment, that the item in controversy is not within the Revenue Act, and that, if construed to include it, the act would be unconstitutional. Plaintiff in error moved to dismiss on the ground that the complaint failed to state facts sufficient to constitute a cause of action. The court denied the motion and gave judgment for defendant in error. Kerbaugh-Empire Co. v. Bowers (D. C.) 300 F. 938. This writ of error was taken under section 238, Judicial Code (Comp. St. 1215), before the amendment of February 13, 1925. 43 Stat. 936, 938, c. 229.
The question for decision is whether the difference between the value of marks measured by dollars at the time of payment to the Custodian and the value when the loans were made was income.
The Sixteenth Amendment declares that Congress shall have power to levy and collect taxes on income, 'from whatever source derived' without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration. It was not the purpose or effect of that amendment to bring any new subject within the taxing power. Congress already had power to tax all incomes. But taxes on incomes from some sources had been held to be 'direct taxes' within the meaning of the constitutional requirement as to apportionment. Art. 1, 2, cl. 3, 9, cl. 4; Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co., 158 U.S. 601 , 15 S. Ct. 912. The Amendment relieved from that requirement and obliterated the distinction in that respect between taxes on income that are direct taxes and those that are not, and so put on the same basis all incomes 'from whatever source derived.' Brushaber v. Union Pac. R. R., 240 U.S. 1, 17 , 36 S. Ct. 236, 241 (60 L. Ed. 493, L. R. A. 1917D, 414, Ann. Cas. 1917B, 713). 'Income' has been taken to mean the same thing as used in the Corporation Excise Tax Act of 1909 (36 Stat. 112), in the Sixteenth Amendment, and in the various revenue acts subsequently passed. Southern Pacific Co. v. Lowe, 247 U.S. 330, 335 , 38 S. Ct. 540; Merchants' L. & T. Co. v. Smietanka, 255 U.S. 509, 219 , 41 S. Ct. 386, 15 A. L. R. 1305. After full consideration, this court declared that income may be defined as gain derived from capital, from labor, or from both combined, including profit gained through sale or conversion of capital. Stratton's Independence v. Howbert, 231 U.S. 399, 415 , 34 S. Ct. 136; Doyle v. Mitchell Brothers Co., 247 U.S. 179, 185 , 38 S. Ct. 467; Eisner v. Macomber, 252 U.S. 189, 207 , 40 S. Ct. 189, 9 A. L. R. 1570. And that definition has been adhered to and applied repeatedly. See, e. g., Merchants' L. & T. Co. v. Smietanka, supra, 518 (41 S. Ct. 386); Goodrich v. Edwards, 255 U.S. 527, 535 , 41 S. Ct. 390; United States v. Phellis, 257 U.S. 156, 169 , 42 S. Ct. 63; Miles v. Safe Deposit Co., 259 U.S. 247, 252 , 253 S., 42 S. Ct. 483; United States v. Supplee-Biddle Co., 265 U.S. 189, 194 , 44 S. Ct. 546; Irwin v. Gavit, 268 U.S. 161, 167 , 45 S. Ct. 475; Edwards v. Cuba Railroad, 268 U.S. 628, 633 , 45 S. Ct. 614. In determining what constitutes income substance rather than form is to be given controlling weight. Eisner v. Macomber, supra, 206 (40 S. Ct. 189).
The transaction here in question did not result in gain from capital and labor, or from either of them, or in profit gained through the sale or conversion of capital. The essential facts set forth in the complaint are the loans in 1911, 1912, and 1913, the loss in 1913 to 1918 of the moneys borrowed, the excess of such losses over income by more than the item here in controversy, and payment in the equivalent of marks greatly depreciated in value. The result of the whole transaction was a loss.
Plaintiff in error insists that in substance and effect the transaction was a 'short sale' of marks resulting in gain to defendant in error. But there is no similarity between what was done and such a venture. A short seller borrows what he sells, and the purchase price goes to the lender and is retained as security for repayment. The seller receives nothing until he repays the loan. Such a transaction would not meet the requirements of defendant in error. It needed the money for use and received the amount borrowed and expended it.
The contention that the item in question is cash gain disregards the fact that the borrowed money was lost, and that the excess of such loss over income was more than the amount borrowed. When the loans were made and notes given, the assets and liabilities of defendant in error were increased alike. The loss of the money borrowed wiped out the increase of assets, but the liability remained. The assets were further diminished by payment of the debt. The loss was less than it would have been if marks had not declined in value; but the mere diminution of loss is not gain, profit, or income.
Judgment affirmed.
Mr. Justice BRANDEIS concurs in the result.
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Emphasis added. The court makes no mention of the argument you claim. It also makes clear that the 16th Amendment removed the apportionment requirement from any income tax that might be deemed direct. (The Supreme Court has held that all income taxes, including those on wages and salary, are indirect, in any event).
Give it up, son. None of the tax protester arguments are worth a bucket of warm spit. The only thing arguing them in court gets you is thousands of dollars in fines for advancing a frivolous position that has repeatedly been rejected by the courts.
Again, check Dan Evans' tax protester FAQ page for citations to the actual law. It's a tremendous resource.
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04-21-2008, 07:51 AM
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The court makes no mention of the argument you claim.
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True, but anyone who has read the two Court opinions can plainly see the subterfuge and deceit that you are attempting to foist upon us.
Will the subterfuge and deceit never end???
And weren't we warned about all this over a hundred years ago...
"It may be that it is the obnoxious thing in its mildest and least repulsive form; but illegitimate and unconstitutional practices get their first footing in that way, namely, by silent approaches and slight deviations from legal modes of procedure. This can only be obviated by adhering to the rule that constitutional provisions for the security of person and property should be liberally construed. A close and literal construction deprives them of half their efficacy, and leads to gradual depreciation of the right, as if it consisted more in sound than in substance. It is the duty of courts to be watchful for the constitutional rights of the citizen, and against any stealthy encroachments thereon." — Mr. Justice Joseph Bradley
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04-21-2008, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by indago
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To see a prime example, you might want to start with your post #54, which repeats the tax denier myth that an excise tax is necessarily a tax on the exercise of a privilege. That isn't the law and never has been.
To be sure, the subject of an excise tax may involve the exercise of a privilege, but it doesn't have to, as the gift tax and the income tax on income derived from illegal activities demonstrate. Heck, go back to 1790. Was Mr. Hylton's ownership of carriages a privilege?
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04-21-2008, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by mertensv16
To be sure, the subject of an excise tax may involve the exercise of a privilege, but it doesn't have to, as the gift tax and the income tax on income derived from illegal activities demonstrate. Heck, go back to 1790. Was Mr. Hylton's ownership of carriages a privilege?
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From Black's Law, 2nd Edition:
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The term (excise) is also extended to the imposition of public charges, in the nature of taxes, upon other subjects than the manufacture and sale of commodities, such as license to pursue particular callings, the franchise of corporations and particularly the franchise of corporate existence, and the inheritance or succession of estates.
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The SSN is prima facie evidence of such a corporate franchise.
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04-21-2008, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by psholtz
The SSN is prima facie evidence of such a corporate franchise.
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Except that corporations don't have SSN's.
Read my post again. Very carefully. Then read it about 5 or 6 more times until you understand the difference between an excise tax's possibly involving the exercise of a privilege and the tax's necessarily involving the exercise of a privilege. Hint: ask yourself if you can have a valid excise tax on something that involves a privilege. Then ask if you can have a valid excise on something that doesn't involves a privilege. The answer to both questions is yes.
Incidentally, the legal definition of an excise for purposes of federal taxation is not to be found in an obsolete edition of Black's, but in the holdings of the Supreme Court and other federal courts. Read this case over and over until you understand what an excise includes:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...=280&invol=124
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04-21-2008, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Smith
Corporate "income" (profits and gains) CAN be taxed with an excise tax, but the income itself is not taxed because it is property.
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Isn't it more accurate to say that income is "something derived from property" and therefore is taxable?
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04-21-2008, 10:49 AM
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Except that corporations don't have SSN's.
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Corporations have EINs and the Corporation itself is a State-created franchise.
If a freeman wishes to work for a Corporation (i.e., a State-created franchise), he may be required to enfranchise himself by obtaining an SSN, which in essence amounts to a "license" to work for the State.
Any government-granted privilege (i.e., excise) is a proper subject for taxation.
The government may tax its own State-created franchises (i.e., the corporations and holders of a SSN), since working for such a franchise is indeed a privilege.
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Incidentally, the legal definition of an excise for purposes of federal taxation is not to be found in an obsolete edition of Black's, but in the holdings of the Supreme Court and other federal courts.
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The definition I gave you does come from the Supreme Court..
POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN & TRUST CO., 158 U.S. 601 (1895), to be specific:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...=158&invol=601
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