Definition of Income

[jetgraphics]

Originally Posted by Chinese Panda

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...1----000-.html
Title 26 USC 6011...

"When required by regulations prescribed by the Secretary any person made liable for any tax imposed by this title, or with respect to the collection thereof, shall make a return or statement according to the forms and regulations prescribed by the Secretary(or his alleged delegate). Every person required to make a return or statement shall include therein the information required by such forms or regulations."

What public law, code section, or executive order made Form 1040 be prescribed by the Secretary or his alleged delegate?

I agree, if the form is not actually prescribed by the Secretary then it certainly does not need a valid (or proper) OMB number.
Now, of course if you have no evidence that it not prescribed by the Secretary and you have not asked,on the record, why you can't file a statement then that's a problem.

In any case, I think its best to ask the Secretary or his alleged delegate, on the record, about it.

JG: I think you shall find, when perusing the "RULES" of the "BANK", a clause or two that requires your cooperation in the matter.

However, you probably will find a few other clauses that not only relieve the BANK from appearing in defense, but shift the burden entirely to the account holder (YOU).

FWIW - All the people I personally know who were harrassed by the Eye Are Us had two things in common:
1. Active SSN and 2. open, interest bearing bank account. All the people I know who were left alone had no (or inactive) SSN, and no bank accounts or other contracts for usury with an instrumentality of the Federal Reserve corporation.

No instrumentality of usurers will contract with unnumbered people - God bless their kind hearts.
:-)

[Chinese Panda]

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

JG: I think you shall find, when perusing the "RULES" of the "BANK", a clause or two that requires your cooperation in the matter.

I'm not familiar with the "RULES" of the "BANK". Where may I obtain a copy?

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

However, you probably will find a few other clauses that not only relieve the BANK from appearing in defense, but shift the burden entirely to the account holder (YOU).

I'm not familiar with the "RULES" of the "BANK". Where may I obtain a copy?

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

FWIW - All the people I personally know who were harrassed by the Eye Are Us had two things in common:
1. Active SSN and 2. open, interest bearing bank account. All the people I know who were left alone had no (or inactive) SSN, and no bank accounts or other contracts for usury with an instrumentality of the Federal Reserve corporation.

Do you know of any people that asked the Secretary or his alleged delegate, on the record, the name of the delegate who prescribed the Form and what date he did it to make it an official form required by law?

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

No instrumentality of usurers will contract with unnumbered people - God bless their kind hearts.
:-)

Stamped, signed and ceritfied public records - God bless their kind hearts. :-)

[jetgraphics]

Enemy looking back at us in the mirror

Only U.S. citizens / residents can impair themselves by
enrolling in national so******m (Social Security), and becoming eligible to engage in usury (an abomination) with any instrumentality of the Federal Reserve corporation (fiduciary agent for the World Bank, IMF, and the U.N.). Furthermore, by this compact, the servant government is absolved of all prior limitations (see excepted classes in Article IV of Confederation 1777), as well as getting a blanket absolution from God when they smite their usurious peons, innocent they are not, saith Ezekiel.

In fact, most if not all alleged abuses that government inflicts upon the people can be traced back to consent, either through asserting [a] citizenship (exercising political liberty), [b] license (civil liberty), or [c] pauperization (so******m).

[a: Conscription / selective service is limited to U.S. citizens and U.S. residents, stated in Title 50, United States Code]

[b: Licenses that are limited to residents are usually waived for the non-resident inhabitants.]

[c: Paupers are status criminals, not for what they did, but for what they are, and thus guilty until proven innocent.]

But all is not lost. Remember that promise of the "republican form of government"? And recall the promise to the "Free inhabitants"?

(You may be surprised to learn that there is no other nation on this planet that has a republican form of government. A republic is not the same as a republican form. That's one reason why the enemies of America have devoted time, treasure and talent to indoctrinate us to be ignorant, illiterate fools. The republican form of government is the most dangerous system for it empowers the people, and if it spreads, will topple every sovereign government on this planet.)

The real "power to the people" is individual sovereignty, as promised to all Americans. For all her past sins, that one fact makes America's government truly the best on the planet. For only in America, can one absolutely own private property upon which you can truly "pursue happiness" without asking for permission from a landlord, king, or other earthly authority. (That's what Patrick Henry was talking about, when he said, "Give me (natural and personal) liberty or give me death!" He certainly wasn't asking for civil or political liberty from the King.)

"All law is the protection of property rights, all else is policy, and policy requires consent"

Governments are instituted among men to (a) secure rights and (b) govern by consent. (Declaration of Independence, 1776)

Paupers have no property rights, having surrendered them in order to get charity from the public treasury.
No law can compel you to change your status at law.

(Examples from the Georgia Constitution)

GA Constitution Art 1, Clause 1,Paragraph 25. Status of the citizen. The social status of a citizen shall never be the subject of legislation.

GA Constitution, Art 3, Clause 4, Paragraph 4
(c) No special law relating to the rights or status of private persons shall be enacted.

It's your choice.

[jetgraphics]

Originally Posted by Chinese Panda

I'm not familiar with the "RULES" of the "BANK". Where may I obtain a copy? I'm not familiar with the "RULES" of the "BANK". Where may I obtain a copy?

JG: Ask your local branch of "THE BANK". Seriously, go to the bank at which you have an account and signature card on file. Ask them to provide you the rules you agreed to.

Originally Posted by Chinese Panda

Do you know of any people that asked the Secretary or his alleged delegate, on the record, the name of the delegate who prescribed the Form and what date he did it to make it an official form required by law?

JG: Ah, there's the rub. Your "agreement" with THE BANK and its governor absolves them of such petty requests.
(Read the rules first)

Did you check out the JPG of the Bank Agreement listed in previous post?

If you "agreed" to provide an annual financial statement as evidenced by your signature card on file, WHY would the Secretary (or Governor) be obligated to do anything?

On the other hand, if you dispute having an agreement, then you had better make sure no accounts are open in your name / number.

[Chinese Panda]

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

JG: Ask your local branch of "THE BANK". Seriously, go to the bank at which you have an account and signature card on file. Ask them to provide you the rules you agreed to.

This is an interesting discussion, thank you for answering, seriously. For the record, I've seen your theory before and hey, it COULD be true, but the problem I have with it is, I cannot prove it. Actually, no I do not have signature card on file at a bank. However, I am an authorized user for a credit card issued in somebody elses name. Out of curiosity, in your opinion, am I still obligated to the bank?
Just for fun, I think I will go to a local bank and ask for their rules.

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

JG: Ah, there's the rub. Your "agreement" with THE BANK and its governor absolves them of such petty requests.
(Read the rules first)

Did you check out the JPG of the Bank Agreement listed in previous post?

If you "agreed" to provide an annual financial statement as evidenced by your signature card on file, WHY would the Secretary (or Governor) be obligated to do anything?

OK, so lets just say I did agree and they don't have to respond to my request, that's fine.

Nah, I didn't check out the JPG, I may just do that.

Hmmm, that's very interesting. I note that you said "statement" not "Form 1040". How am I in violation of this bank contract if I DO issue a statement every year? Are you saying the the agent of the bank gets to tell me what statement is required and what's on it? If so, how is this agent of the bank going to prove he is the agent of this bank if challenged?

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

On the other hand, if you dispute having an agreement, then you had better make sure no accounts are open in your name / number.

Agreed.

[jetgraphics]

Originally Posted by Chinese Panda

How am I in violation of this bank contract if I DO issue a statement every year?

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The requirement is to file an annual financial statement in the form the Bank requests.

Originally Posted by Chinese Panda

Are you saying the the agent of the bank gets to tell me what statement is required and what's on it? If so, how is this agent of the bank going to prove he is the agent of this bank if challenged?

If I infer correctly, the "Bank" and "Fund" has a U.S. governor, who is the Secretary of Treasury. His rules are promulgated in Title 26 United States Code. If one has "agreed" to abide by the rules of Title 26, which are for prosecuting the bankruptcy of the United States, in Congress assembled, then anyone who is in violation of the agreement is guilty of "willful failure to file".

The question most Americans fail to ask - which is the dog and which is the tail?

Does Congress wag the Federal Reserve or does the Federal Reserve wag Congress?

Based on Executive orders, and economic influence, methinks that the SECRETARY runs things.
Remember which branch protects Mr President.
(TREASURY!)

[Chinese Panda]

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

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The requirement is to file an annual financial statement in the form the Bank requests.

I like discussion like this that get down to the key point.
So, even if I were to be able to prove all of this stuff about the bank, I'm going to have to disagree with your quote above.

The only request anybody has ever made of me is to file something pursuant to 26 U.S.C. 6011 and 26 U.S.C. 6012. 26 U.S.C. 6011 says,
"make a return or statement according to the forms and regulations prescribed by the Secretary (or his alleged delegate)". Since the code section says "or", I assume I am free to chose, but I always like to ask anyway.

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

If I infer correctly, the "Bank" and "Fund" has a U.S. governor, who is the Secretary of Treasury. His rules are promulgated in Title 26 United States Code. If one has "agreed" to abide by the rules of Title 26, which are for prosecuting the bankruptcy of the United States, in Congress assembled, then anyone who is in violation of the agreement is guilty of "willful failure to file".

Once again, I agree, file what the contract says to file, the contract is specified at 26 U.S.C. 6011. Simply ask, on the record, am I supposed to report my income on the "proposed" (per the IRS) Form 1040 or something else? I'm willing to take your word, for arguments sake, on the concept, but not on the execution.

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

The question most Americans fail to ask - which is the dog and which is the tail?

Does Congress wag the Federal Reserve or does the Federal Reserve wag Congress?

Based on Executive orders, and economic influence, methinks that the SECRETARY runs things.
Remember which branch protects Mr President.
(TREASURY!)

We even kinda agree here, but I think its always best to ask such questions on the formal record, which it seems the Governors agents are supposed to do, if you ask.

By the way, you never answered my credit card question.

[joseph sugarman]

Jet graphics,

Wages cannot be a source of income. Wages themselves are derived from a source. The only thing wages can legally be defined as is receipts or revenue.

Sources of income are defined and described in Section 861 through 863, and the implementing regulations.

The only word ever used to remotely describe wages in the code is they are an ITEM of income. Items are not sources.

Even at part 61 the word wages is not specifically used. The term is compensation for services.

[indago]

jetgraphics has obsequiously obfuscated:"SIGH.
"State shall not impair the obligations of compacts" But it goes deeper than that - - - See pre 1933 cites on the government's blank check when dealing with paupers.... (and other and sundry aberrations, ramifications, fixations, lamentations, hallucinations, and incantations)"

All that, and still government was never granted the power to lay a direct tax upon the inhabitants of the States.

[joseph sugarman]

I am sure Elizabeth Arden, Revlon, Helene Curtis and others are glad to know this.