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Old 02-20-2008, 05:55 PM
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The Patricia A. Schaffner item, mentioned by Indago, is apparently not mentioned in any published court decision, and, as far as I can find, no contemporary news report. It was mentioned in a book by Jeffrey D-ckstein, JD, titled "Taxation and Judicial Tyranny". I am not sure if Di-kstein was the lawyer in the James I. Hall case itself. {I have discovered that this SuiJuris forum automatically censors this man's name, which, to clarify, begins with a common nickname for "Richard".} This bit (purportedly from a 1987 trial) has been repeatedly churned up in a series of canned interrogatories offered by various websites, including We The People, and Larry Becraft.

Patricia A. Schaffner is there identified as an IRS "Revenue Officer", which does not mean that she was a lawyer. She may have been an accountant or an investigator, so posing questions to her about the text of the statutes was something outside her expertise and wouldn't bind the IRS in future cases. In 2002 a Patricia A. Schaffner was appointed the auditor of a gambling casino in the Chicago area, which suggests - if this is the same person - that she was not a lawyer but an accountant.

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Old 02-25-2008, 08:06 PM
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With reference to the James I. Hall case: The decision of his case where this exchange supposedly happened (a case with a 1987 docket number) is not published, but a 2002 district court decision involving him is published in US Tax Cases.

In the 2002 case he was pro se and the court mentions that a 1988 decision - supposedly the one described in earlier messages - had been decided against him. So evidently this exchange with Patricia A. Schaffner did not help him in that case.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:23 PM
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Just a theory..

The American Bar Association is a franchise of the Lawyers Guild of Great Britain. The American Bar Association is not connected primarily with what happens in any case on the local level. However, when a case leaves the local level, by that is meant, the state court, city court or the justice of the peace, or even the federal court; and goes to the appeal's court, it would appear that the American Bar Association takes notice of the case.

It would seem that the American Bar Association must have an agreement that any action brought on appeal, must be reviewed by the American Bar Association. If this is true, it would make sense.

How else would the American Bar Association, a branch of the Lawyers Guild of Great Britain, which is the legal arm of the Rothschild's Dynasty, be able to monitor and administer the corporate bankruptcy.

It would appear that the American Bar Association would be compelled to review all appeal cases and to make certain any case brought under common law or the constitutional law that would expose the bankruptcy, would be immediately stamped on the back that "this case is not to be cited or published." I believe that this is the stamp origin and purpose of the stamp message in such cases.

The justice department may be able to do that in Washington D.C.. I can't see where any judge or lawyer could have the authority to stamp or label the case as one not to be cited for future cases. I think that is an official stamp from the American Bar Association.

You have to admit those boys have got a heck of a racket going here...

Black's Law Dictionary 1990, defines "Money Changers" as: .....business of a banker... today handled by the international departments of banks." Let me think for a moment, what did Christ do to the Money Changers." Oh, Yes, he severely interfered with their activity. Three days later he was crucified. Lincoln was killed for interfering with the money changers. Kennedy was slaughtered for interfering with the money changers.

Shoonra? Insider insight on this one .. my law professor sister in-law didn't have any input on this one. My aged, ex-US Attorney uncle sort of implied this is what goes on up there.

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Old 02-26-2008, 08:41 AM
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You aare really off the mark about the history of the ABA and its workings. There are a number of books and law review articles about ABA history. A person is entitled to his own theories but not to his own facts.
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Old 02-26-2008, 08:55 AM
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Shoonra posted:
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With reference to the James I. Hall case: The decision of his case where this exchange supposedly happened (a case with a 1987 docket number) is not published

Jeffrey wrote: "Federal District Court Judge Gene E. Brooks threatened to hit me with his gavel when I attempted to repeat Ms. Shaffner's testimony to the jury".

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In the 2002 case he was pro se and the court mentions that a 1988 decision - supposedly the one described in earlier messages - had been decided against him.

That's what happens when you have a toady people and a government on the take...



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Old 02-26-2008, 10:21 AM
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Loosing faith..

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You aare really off the mark about the history of the ABA and its workings. There are a number of books and law review articles about ABA history. A person is entitled to his own theories but not to his own facts.

"It would see", "How else", "It would appear" ... are not facts. I was hoping you could shed some light on this not simply state "There are a number of books..". Did I really upset you that much..? You even stutter typed.

What books? What evidence? You can do better than that. I will scan and cite the fact sources that my theory is based on in the next day or so. I don't make stuff up and I don't go by information published on patriot or conspiricy websites. How about a nugget or two from the 2006 Policies and Procedures manual published by the ABA and accessable only to ABA members? Why do that keep that one locked up?

I do know what “attorney” means. To “turn” homage and service to a new feudal lord. And who “moves” the court by entering “motions?” In case you haven’t notice by now, I attempt to use the “literal” definitions in a “figurative” sense in order to invite you to think on a higher level of “reality”.
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You have to keep in mind that according to Bar Brethren Shoonra - Bernard Sussman Esq. of the District since 1979, the Pope nullified the Magna Charta.


See the attachment below.


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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html
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Old 02-27-2008, 07:16 AM
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Nice lead into the Nisi Judgement David.

I've had the experience of receiving a Nisi Judgement, from a Nisi Prius 'Court'. It goes something like this:

If you will accept, without objection, that you have broken a rule, and you will accept, without objection, that I am a judge with authority, and you will accept, without objection, that I have the authority to summons you into my arena, and you will accept, without objection, that my arena is a court with authority, and you will accept, without objection, that I have the power to adjudge you guilty of a crime, and you will accept, without objection, that after adjudging you, I have the power to punish you, then you should and most likely will accept, without objection, that my judgement has authority over you.

Nisi-unless
Prius-first

Nisi Judgement-judgement unless(unless what? unless you object, timely, and prove otherwise).

Nisi Prius Court-Trial Court(of any kind, that has the appearance of a court of record, however, does not record all transactions, and does not meet the 4 requirements to be a court of record)

basic requirments of a court of record from Black's law and other sources:

1. generally has a seal
2. power to fine or imprison for contempt
3. keeps a record of the proceedings
4. proceeding according to the common law (not statutes or codes)
5. the tribunal is independent of the magistrate (judge)

Note that a judge is a magistrate and is not the tribunal.
The tribunal is either the sovereign himself, or a fully
empowered jury (not paid by the government)
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Old 02-27-2008, 07:19 AM
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Nice lead into the Nisi Judgement David.

I've had the experience of receiving a Nisi Judgement, from a Nisi Prius 'Court'. It goes something like this:

If you will accept, without objection, that you have broken a rule, and you will accept, without objection, that I am a judge with authority, and you will accept, without objection, that I have the authority to summons you into my arena, and you will accept, without objection, that my arena is a court with authority, and you will accept, without objection, that I have the power to adjudge you guilty of a crime, and you will accept, without objection, that after adjudging you, I have the power to punish you, then you should and most likely will accept, without objection, that my judgement has authority over you.

Nisi-unless
Prius-first

Nisi Judgement-judgement unless(unless what? unless you object, timely, and prove otherwise).

Nisi Prius Court-Trial Court(of any kind, that has the appearance of a court of record, however, does not record all transactions, and does not meet the 4 requirements to be a court of record)

basic requirments of a court of record from Black's law and other sources:

1. generally has a seal
2. power to fine or imprison for contempt
3. keeps a record of the proceedings
4. proceeding according to the common law (not statutes or codes)
5. the tribunal is independent of the magistrate (judge)

Note that a judge is a magistrate and is not the tribunal.
The tribunal is either the sovereign himself, or a fully
empowered jury (not paid by the government)

I have first hand knowledge that there is no 'court of record' where I have been. But hey, If I believe, then I agree, and usually and agreement follows.............
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:20 AM
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You have got to love Google.

You can find both volumes I & II of "An Abridgement of the Law of Nisi Prius" by Patrick Brady Leigh through Google Books for download.

Google Books and Scribd are both quite the treasure troves of interesting information for free and download.

Enjoy,
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