Tax Form 1041 - Return of ALL Taxes

[sheisaceo]

I did not know about this. This is from a book written by Mary Croft. Does anyone have any knowledge of this form?

I intend to get all of MY taxes back. THIS IS MINE.

[sheisaceo]

Oh man, there are like 10 different 1041 versions. All designed to confuse I am sure.

Any opinions welcome.

[sheisaceo]

Wait a minute. If the IRS is usable and even a friend here, then how is it that no one has used this form to acquire rightful refunding of all remittances? Somebody must know what to do with this.

[weishaupt1776]

filling out their forms is retarded and you deserve any consequences for doing so

[ezrhythm]

There are testimonies that people have had success with this site/book/method etc;

http://www.losthorizons.com/Cracking_the_Code.htm

[joseph sugarman]

sheisaceo,

Just google form 1041. You will discover it is the filing form for Estates and Trusts. If you can figure out how to get a refund using it, please be sure to post it. I am sure there are others who would like to perform the same feat of legerdemain.

[theghost]

The 1041 was used many years ago by Rice Mcleod and others successfully. It is a fiduciary form, to be filled out by the fiduciary of the ALL CAPS NAME trust, i.e., you. You are presumed to be the fiduciary of the transmitting utility/vessel/STRAWMAN, and fiduciaries are entitled to all their expenses back at the end of the year relating to the operation of the trust. Many people used the form for just that, until it got the IRS's attention. The IRS was writing a lot of large checks, which is not what they like to do. They couldn't just sit by and let people actually use the form as the code intended, oh no, they had to put a stop to that, and they did.

[joseph sugarman]

Above is some interesting, anecdotal information about a Rice McLeod. Below is some interesting, attributable information about a Rice Mcleod.

Rice McLeod's POA Strategy

In the 12/18/01 edition of TaxTruth Neweletter, we featured Eddie Kahn who talked about giving the IRS power of attorney to file your tax returns. It was a strategy that Rice McLeod inspired him with, which went something like this. You respond to an IRS request for a tax return with a blank Form 1040 and cover letter. The cover letter says something like, "I don't believe that I am liable for any tax and I don't believe that I am required to file this form. However, if your records show otherwise, then I am giving you power of attorney to handle it for me." Then you attach Form 2848, which is the IRS' own power of attorney form, to the Form 1040 and cover letter. The idea is to give the IRS power of attorney to fill out your tax return and sign it instead of you doing it. That throws the burden of determining a filing requirement and signing under penalties of perjury back onto them.

Source for the above is www. the7thfire.com. It was found by googling Rice McLeod.

Later in that same article is this paragraph which purports to state Rice McLeod's position on the 1041.

Form 1041

You won't want to self-assess yourself because you don't owe the IRS any income tax to begin with. However, Mr. McLeod says if you do file an income tax return then you should file Form 1041, which is an income tax form used for trusts. His position is that we are all treated as a trust in the social security/IRS scheme of things. He says they created a trust out of our name when we got a social security number. The trust bore our name spelled in all capital letters (i.e. the "strawman") and they assigned the SSN to the trust. When you use the Form 1041 to file as the fiduciary of the "trust" you end up not paying any income tax. That's because the fiduciary of a trust always gets back all the income tax withheld from the "strawman's" earnings. So, with the Form 1041 it ends up being the same thing as when you don't self-assess yourself; you don't owe the IRS a thing.

Same source as above.

Based on this it does not appear the man used the form.

Just as in the above post, none of the information supported with any documentation. Which, if either is correct. Is there any other anecdotal or attubutable information about Rice McLeod?

Does anyone have a physical address for the man, or a phone number?

Perhaps the above poster can supply the proof the man used the form. It would certainly be helpful.

[sheisaceo]

I know that Mary Croft did this and got her taxes back but she had some rather large gonads and went before judges all of the time and told them that she did not volunteer to contract with them nor accept any levies, fines or punishments from them either. Cases dismissed consistently.

This is, obviously, post arrest. I am sure that they will love me the same way.

I am not barfing anymore and I got over my hangover. Finding out that I was a bond on wall st and that my freedom was sold for my being in prison to make someone a profit sent me over the edge. I had a number of years stolen from me.

BTW, THANKS GUYS! YOU ARE GREAT! This forum is definitely changing my life for the better!

[theghost]

Originally Posted by joseph sugarman

Above is some interesting, anecdotal information about a Rice McLeod. Below is some interesting, attributable information about a Rice Mcleod.



Source for the above is www. the7thfire.com. It was found by googling Rice McLeod.

Later in that same article is this paragraph which purports to state Rice McLeod's position on the 1041.



Same source as above.

Based on this it does not appear the man used the form.

Just as in the above post, none of the information supported with any documentation. Which, if either is correct. Is there any other anecdotal or attubutable information about Rice McLeod?

Does anyone have a physical address for the man, or a phone number?

Perhaps the above poster can supply the proof the man used the form. It would certainly be helpful.

Joseph, I may have mis-spoke if I said Rice used the form. What I was referring to was many hours of Rice McLeod seminars on tape that I have, where he speaks about the use of the form, with direct testimony of people he deals with, having used the form as he (Rice) understands it and speaks about it. I do not recall if Rice ever actually used the form, but Rice's entrance into the "patriot" community came about after a devastating encounter with the IRS, that lead him to many years of research and experimentation. Rice's info IMO has withstood the test of time, far better and more accurately than any other guru I'm aware of. I am not stating that he is always right, by any means. He is recovering from a stroke in Texas, that left him with only partial ability to speak, so reaching him and questioning him is out of the question, IMO. Actually, it has been conclusion, based on my own study/reading of certain forms, that form 56 is the fiduciary form, but I know from first hand knowledge that they ignore this form as well, so really, it's all for naught, or like I usually say, it's all crap.