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Old 03-19-2008, 03:02 PM
JHJ2040 JHJ2040 is offline
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IRS says I've overstated witholding

I've just received letter CP2501 that says I've overstated my witholdings from a previous tax year. They want some type of answer within (3) weeks.
Whether I made a mistake or not, is not my question. Can I tell them that I give them my permission to correct the "so-called" error on an adjusted 1040 as I am totally "confused" by the enormity of the actual printed tax law. I've heard elsewhere that they will not, as the 1040 form is bogus to begin with.

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Old 03-19-2008, 05:39 PM
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if you give them authority to correct the "mistake", they will gladly do it for you, without regard to statutes, law, form numbers or anything else.. might as well go to vegas and roll the dice.

it may be right, it may not...you just dont know... so do it at your own risk.

The best solution is to remove your self from the jurisdiction of the IRS and then you will never have to deal with it again...

not legal or any other kind of advice, purely for entertainment value..

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Old 03-19-2008, 05:49 PM
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remove from jurisdiction

How would I do that in this short of time
as they want a reply in (3) weeks.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

JHJ
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:33 PM
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JHJ2040 wrote:
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How would I do that in this short of time as they want a reply in (3) weeks.

All they want you to do is toady.

So, TOADY...
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Old 03-19-2008, 11:47 PM
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I've just received letter CP2501 that says I've overstated my witholdings from a previous tax year. They want some type of answer within (3) weeks.
Whether I made a mistake or not, is not my question. Can I tell them that I give them my permission to correct the "so-called" error on an adjusted 1040 as I am totally "confused" by the enormity of the actual printed tax law. I've heard elsewhere that they will not, as the 1040 form is bogus to begin with.

JHJ

Like Mr Paine said, not legal advise, but since you admit to being confused, wouldn't you like an official findings of fact and conclusions of law from the IRS explaining why what you did was wrong and do you have a right to such things?

So, I personally would like answers to the following questions. I'd make damn sure I sent it registered mail, notarized, with 4 witnesses, and provided my affidavit as testimony supporting my side as testimony. Remember, an affidavit must be from personal knowledge, cannot draw conclusions of law, cannot be argumentative, and must be under oath to be effective.

So, I'd write a letter giving them...

a. IDENTIFICATION:
b. SUBJECT: Request for examination decision
c. AUTHORITY: Administrative Procedures Act administrative due process requirements (5 U.S.C. §§ 551-559); administrative due process requirements established by the U.S. Supreme Court in Goldberg v. Kelly (1970), 397 U.S. 254.
YEARS AT ISSUE:
ENCLOSURE: Affidavit submitted as testimony for purposes the examination.
CURRENT ISSUE: (explain what action from them is making you ask for the examination)

In the body of the letter I would say something like...

A.
"Are the following required for due process?

1. Must the agency provide the opportunity to be heard?
http://supreme.justia.com/us/397/254/case.html

2. Must the hearing must be at a meaningful time and in a meaningful manner?
http://supreme.justia.com/us/397/254/case.html

3. Must the agency provide the opportunity to defend by confronting and cross-examining adverse witnesses?
http://supreme.justia.com/us/397/254/case.html

4. Must government findings of fact must be based on evidence in the case file and testimony and the basis of findings must be disclosed? (See 5 U.S.C. §§ 556(d) & (e) and Kelly case above.)

5. Are IRS examination officers the only IRS officers that have lawful authority to administer oaths and take testimony, from which the official record can be established?

If so, I hereby formally request such a hearing, if not please give me a findings of fact and conclusions of law explaining why not.

The following questions are submitted for examination resolution for years specified above:"

Here you need to ask the questions you are confused about, only YOU know what those questions are.

I'd also ask for access to the case file so I can cross examine evidence against me.

Will you get a hearing? Probably not. But at least YOU have asked for your "due process rights" and they have not exhausted their "administrative remedies". The rest depends on how much work you want to do to take it farther.
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Old 03-20-2008, 01:38 PM
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It depends on your goal here. Are you filing returns and withholding what you think is necessary? Or are you not filing, and trying to minimize the amount taken out?

If you are filing returns and this is just a dispute over the amount withheld, something that may be refundable on a return, then you might just want to get with them and find out what they'll accept.

If you aren't filing returns, and don't believe that your income is taxable or that you are subject to the tax, then other methods may come into play.
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Old 04-29-2008, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by JHJ2040
I've just received letter CP2501 that says I've overstated my witholdings from a previous tax year. They want some type of answer within (3) weeks.
Whether I made a mistake or not, is not my question. Can I tell them that I give them my permission to correct the "so-called" error on an adjusted 1040 as I am totally "confused" by the enormity of the actual printed tax law. I've heard elsewhere that they will not, as the 1040 form is bogus to begin with.
JHJ

Time to get the Administrative affairs in order here:
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I Jack-Rabbit:Patriot Fiduciary Administrator am communicating in honor and good faith to validate the claim of the overstatement. This claim cannot be properly processed without a Certification of Statement on Record to which the claim is based upon. For understanding you have 15 days to provide the requested information before a Notice of Defect is issued.
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Their silence or improper response is evidence that they do not have a claim in which it is based on fraud.
U.S. Title 18 Sections 3, 241,242 & 1589

That should get you started on the right track anyway.
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