old news.

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by Lawdog

What is this fascination the wackos have with Bouvier's pre-Civil War legal dictionary? That thing is so old that many modern legal concepts that we take for granted...like the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment...aren't even in there because they did not exist yet. The world can change a lot in 150 years. Would you use an Encyclopedia Britannica set that was that old?

In modern times, grand juries return either a "true bill" for an indictment or a "no bill" for failure to indict. Because of the modern, negative meaning of the term ignoramus, I doubt anyone would want to sign a document that used that word.

Pre-civil war legal dictionaries are of historical interest, and that is about it. Time to wake up and smell the 21st century, folks.

No Hang up on my part. Let us move into the 21st Century, circa 1910 (which by the way reads identical with the 1968 version) Blacks Law Dictionary. This rendering compares the 2nd and 4th editions of Blacks.

"IGNORAMUS. Lat. "We are ignor
a n t ; " "We ignore it." Formerly the grand
jury used to write this word on bills of indictment
when, after having heard the evidence,
they thought the accusation against
the prisoner was groundless, intimating that,
though the facts might possibly be true, the
t r u th did not appear to them; but now they
usually write in English the words "Not a
true bill," or "Not found," if that is their
verdict; but they are still said to ignore the
bill. Brown."

The implication is the same. Welcome to the 21st century, and by virtue of mertensv16 having granted the title of 'Grand Jury' to the members of this forum, I guess the deliberation will continue.

Jerry Carlos

[mrg]

Originally Posted by A Seriously Insecure Individual
Do you honestly believe that anyone could possibly feel ridicule from the crackpot theories about lawyers that are posted on this site?

Consider the source -- why should I care about what some uninformed wacko thinks?

Why are you here?

Jay sent you?

Consider the source?

Why is it that trolls always mistake the double-edged blade for the hilt, and grab it with both hands?

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

hee hee! we musta got sumpin right...touched a sore spot!

[mertensv16]

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

we musta got sumpin right

Not yet, Farmer, not yet.

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by freebeme

HAHAHAHAHAHA

What is the time line you have given there on the 21st century? Circa 1910 - 1968!!!!!

The 21st century is the current century of the Common Era in accordance with the Gregorian calendar. It began on January 1, 2001 and will end December 31, 2100.

What a moron.

A typographical error. What can I say? At any rate, the Blacks fourth is still in use in practically every court in the land. Take your ha ha's somewhere else, or to someone that cares to listen to your insane babbling.

Besides, you still have not been able to provide your personal definition of 'The Law' or 'just plain law'.

Jerry Carlos

Edited Information:

Appendix D:
Dictionaries Cited, 1988 Term - 1992 Term
Multiple references to the same dictionary are noted in brackets.
Blackmun
Webster's 3rd (no specified year)
Webster's 9th Collegiate (1983) [2]
Webster's 3rd (1961)
Sheridan (1780)
Walk(1791)
Kersey (1702)
Webster's 3rd (1986) [2]
Black's (6th ed. 1990) [5]
Webster's 3rd (1976)
Webster's 3rd (1981)
Cunningham (1771)
Tolins, Law Dictionary (1836)
Bouvier (4th ed. 1852)
Blount, Law Dictionary (1670)

Brennan
Webster's 3rd (1976)
Anderson, A Dictionary of Law (1893)
Bouvier, Law Dictionary (11th ed. 1866) [2]
Cyclopedic Dictionary of Law (1901)
Blacks (5th ed. 1979) [3]
Blacks (1891)
Abbott (1879)
Words & Phrases (1905)
Webster's 2nd (1957)
Funk and Wagnells (1952)
Webster's 3rd (1981)
OED 2nd (1989)

Kennedy
Webster's 3rd (1971) [2]
Blacks (6th ed. 1990)
Bouvier (8th ed. 1914)
Webster's 3rd (1986)
American Heritage (1981)

Marshall
Webster's 3rd (1981)
Webster's 3rd (1966)
Webster's 3rd (1986)
Blacks (5th ed. 1979)
Blacks (6th ed. 1990)

O'Connor
Webster's 3rd (1961)
Webster's 2nd (1950)
Blacks (5th ed. 1979) [4]
New English Dictionary (1897)
Webster's 2nd (1949)
Black's (6th ed. 1990) [5]
Webster's 3rd (1986) [2]
Blount (1670)
Sheridan (1796)
Johnson (1785)
Richardson (1839)
Webster's 3rd (1971)

Rehnquist
Black's (5th ed. 1979) [3]
Cyclopedic Law Dictionary (2d ed. 1922)
Random House Dictionary (2d ed. 1987)
Webster's 2nd (1945)
Webster's 2nd (1942)
Johnson (1785)
Sheridan (1796)
Webster's 3rd (1971)
Black's (6th ed. 1990)
OED (2d ed. 1989) [2]
Webster's 3rd (1986)

Scalia
Webster's American Dictionary (1828) [4]
Linguae Britannicae (1757)
Dictionarium Britannicum (1730)
Kersey (1702)
Sheridan (1780)
Walker (1791)
Blacks (5th ed. 1979) [2]
Webster's 2nd (1957)
Webster's 3rd (1981) [3]
OED (2d ed. 1989)
Webster's 2nd (1950) [4]
Blacks (6th ed. 1990) [6]
Bouvier, Law Dictionary (1883)
Bouvier( 6th ed. 1856)
Webster's 2nd (1939)
Webster's 2nd (1954)
Webster's 2nd (1945)
Webster's 3rd (1961)
Webster's 9th Collegiate (1983)
Ballantine Law Dictionary (2d ed. 1948)

Souter
Webster's 2nd (1942) [2]
Blacks (6th ed. 1990) [5]
Random House Dictionary (2d ed. 1987) [2]
Webster's 3rd (1976) [2]
OED (2d ed. 1989)
Ballantine's Law Dictionary (3d ed. 1969)
Blacks (3d ed. 1933)

Stevens
Webster's 3rd (1986)
Webster's 3rd (1979)
Random House (2d ed. 1987)
OED (2d ed. 1989) [2]
Webster's 3rd (1966) [2]
Blacks (6th ed. 1990) [2]
Webster's Collegiate (1975)
American Heritage (2d College ed. 1982)
Compact OED (1981)
Johnson (7th ed. 1785)
Sheridan (6th ed. 1796)
Webster's 9th Collegiate (1983)
Webster's 3rd (1981)
Webster's 3rd (1976)

Thomas
Cunningham (1771)
Walker (1791)
Webster, American Dictionary (1828) [2]
Blacks (6th ed. 1990) [5]
Blacks (4th ed. 1951)
American Heritage Dictionary (10th ed. 1981)
Webster's 3rd (1986)
Buchanon, Linguae Brittanicae (1757)
Blacks (3d ed. 1933)
Cyclopedic Law Dictionary (3d ed. 1940)

White
Webster's Collegiate (9th ed. 1983) [4]
Webster's 3rd (1961)
Webster's 3rd (1976) [2]
Blacks (6th ed. 1990) [2]
Abbott (1879)
Anderson (1893)
Blacks (1891)
Burrill (1871)
Blacks (5th ed. 1979) [2]

The above taken from http://werbach.com/stuff/hlr_note.html

[mrg]

Originally Posted by freebeme

HAHAHAHAHAHA

What a moron.

And this shows you are somehow otherwise?

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by freebeme

I highly doubt there was a typo. Face it, you are type stupid crap that is completely wrong no matter what the subject.

Typo!? Oh Please!

Now you are stone faced idiot LIAR!

Try looking in the mirror after you look at the TYPO(?) you made above. You can't even get the common language of this country correct.

Jerry Carlos